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brothagary
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 pharmakia

how can we we be consistent in making a difference between drugs like marawana and other over the counter drugs like codein for lets say pain relief , by using the term pharmacia which incompasses all drugs

 2014/6/27 5:55Profile
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 Re: pharmakia

marawana has been used for years as a medicen in the same way opiats and other herbs are used ,,and to be consistent all must come under the same banner of pharmkia now that marawana is legalised in many places how can we preach againsts the medisional uses of that drug and say other pain killers that do similar things and say to the sinner the later are difernet and exceptable to god ,,or do we need to denie the use of all herbs and drugs that do similar things


this has botherd me to draw a line like that when the bible draws no line but uses the word phramakia to link drugs and wichcraft ,,

what does the bible realy teach us about medisins and wichcraft ,,and drunkeness ,,and idolartys


what are your thoughts ,, i know some christians believed in totaly denial of drugs in medisisns ,,probale becasue of the verses about pharmakia and sorcery ,,,


what is the greek word for drunkeness

and how can we be bibical about addictions and preach clearly about the sin of adictions

idoliarity is what seems to me to be the wepon to bring conviction in the area of drug use ,,but that thgen opens the dorr for medical uses of marawana and opiats for certaint things


what are your thoughts about how the bible expresses the truths about this

please no opinions based of experence and how you are bought up or what your chruch teaches

what does the bible say about this

blessings

 2014/6/27 6:10Profile
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 Re: pharmakia

How to differentiate? Use common sense!

It's a bit like asking how to make a difference between surfing the internet for good legitimate purpose and using it to access porn. It's the same word (internet) and same medium, but it's how and what you use it for. Same for drugs. There are good and legitimate use of drugs and bad use of drugs.

There are plenty of alternatives for pain relief to dope. Unless you want to be 'dopey' and off your head, you will avoid it. Mostly it is used for recreational mind altering purposes despite what some would try to convince otherwise.


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 2014/6/27 6:11Profile
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 Re: pharmakia

I would go by their intended use.

If you are using a drug to get into a psychedelic state or frenzy as part of Baal worship, not recommended.

If you are taking a pain med for a bad toothache, I don't see a problem with it.

Now I do think that we should take as few medications as possible and to try some home remedies in certain situations.


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 2014/6/27 6:14Profile
brothagary
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now that is exactly what the bible does not say brother

with respect it does not say use your common scence

and im no exacly how drugs are used for recreation and medicies ,,,i dont want to let our hippy culture so to speak influence my views


what does the bible realy teach about this ,,no comon scence please ,,,just bible

im not talking about me useing pot either ,,,
i want to be bibical and not let cultual scence or comon scence or legalisim ,or any thing eles effecet my witness against sin and its definitions

 2014/6/27 6:20Profile
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gary what exact verse are you referring to?


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 2014/6/27 6:29Profile
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Well Gary, I think as Christians we often loose sight of our God given common sense. We get lost in 'word play' studying exact meanings of words for the most obvious things, when even unbelievers know what is right and wrong!
It's like we can't see the wood for the trees!!

I'll stick with common sense on this one. There is a good place for studying out meaning of biblical words, but not in this case. It can be used to justify something it was never meant to. I've heard this argument many times over the years and it is nearly always made by those who want to justify their desire to take mind altering drugs, be that marijuana's, Opium, cocaine or anything else.


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 2014/6/27 6:31Profile
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Surely if you want to be biblical it is like this.

As Christians we are called to be Alert, sober, spiritual minded, etc. You can't do that if you are using drugs to dull your senses. If you are very ill and have little option but to take some pain relief, that is a different case and motive. Even then you will choose something that has the minimum effect on your clarity of mind.

As for unbelievers, they are in sin anyway (being in unbelief) and there many be different reasons they take or are addicted to drugs. The root issue here is for them to be reconciled to God and then they won't want or need to take drugs to dull their minds to avoid reality.


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 2014/6/27 6:40Profile
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In Bible times, and and I am sure still today, drug use was associated with black magic, divination and other dark practices.

So again I think cultural context is important here. Was the scripture forbidding the use of all medication, or all the dark practices in which certain drugs were used?


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 2014/6/27 6:45Profile
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Gary, the Bible tells us to be sober-minded. Dave pointed that out. It also says be circumspect, not foolish but wise, redeeming the time for the days are evil. It says sow to the Spirit and not to the flesh. To pursue holiness.

If a drug tends to make me not sober-minded, foolish, unwise, and is a pursuit of the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes or the pride of life, then it is of the world and I need to avoid it.

Marijuana makes a person unsober. It leads to foolishness of thought, it promotes it. The entire culture of its use has Cheech and Chong and the characters from That 70s Show as exemplary. It is used with the purpose of sowing to the flesh.

But, if I take Pepto Bismol for my stomach's sake, I'm none of these. I just need something to relieve my bellyache and whatever else that stuff is good for. It doesn't make my mind operate differently, unsoberly. I'm not going to sit around a table with friends and a liter of Pepto and giggle about ladies in swimwear.

There are "medicines" that people take for legitimate ailments that DO, however, take them down the road of foolishness and flesh. This is where the pharmaceutical industry and doctors are making hay in America. Mood altering drugs, prescribed for mood conditions, marketed as cures and treatments, and are positively devastating. They turn people into addicts, and people who are sowing to the flesh already have no defense. People who would walk in the Spirit and take them for mood conditions are, in my view, walking in the flesh, but I cannot be too careful in rushing to judgment on that -- it is my opinion only. Certainly, it is a baited trap. And, the same can be said for opiate based pain killers to a large extent; they are vastly overused and turned to quickly by even Christians. This is distressing. It is bondage.

We need perspective. You are looking for a bright line to draw. Not that there isn't a line, but it is not necessarily a black and white one where all drugs are on one side of it and none are on the other. That isn't biblical, either. Even Paul told Timothy to have a little wine for his stomach. A little. Why? Because in excess there is mockery and rage and foolishness. I submit that the first sip taken for other than the strict need is exactly that, foolish and sowing to flesh. But, it isn't a line where the thing itself--wine in Timothy's case-- is swept in where it is a useful treatment of a physical condition that does not alter the mind.


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