im just wondering tmk does the bible say he emptied his self of his divine attributes or does it say something else ,, and your are adding the words divine attributes
What the kenosis means had nothing to do with betel or any place else. Not sure where that came from. It is what it is. Do you think Jesus was praying when he was in the manger. Jesus became a human being.Like I said even the gotquestions.com agrees with this and that site is very conservative. I think your reformed theology may be for some reason afraid to admit that Jesus really emptied himself. It's not a bad thing. He was still God. But it was part of God's plan.
who was that to ,,,i just want the scripture that says what you said mmmi dont recall paul saying what you said about jesus seperating him self from devine atributes ,,where does it say that but i know he claimed to be the great iam full stop ,,no add msg ,,or he wasnt a cup of skim milk with the cream taken out ,,he was the full cream milk the best you can get what were those verses again where it say he gave up his god atributes brother who cares what got your answers dot com says ,,we have the bible dot com what does it say
it think whast the propblem is that god has devine atrabutes and a god that doesnt have thoses atrabutes is not god ,,so if jesus was the great iam ,as he said and he was a man then he must have the atrabutes to both god and man ,,,if a chicken doesnt have the atrabutes of chicken then its not kfc ,,maby its macdonadls you would have to cheak the atrabutes we have a bird in australia called a peacok ,,,but it doesnt look so glorious becasue its glory is hiden but when it reliesest its glory wow https://www.google.com.au/search?q=photos+of+a+peacock&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=aBekU6nqFofHkAWhi4DgBg&sqi=2&ved=0CBsQsAQ&biw=1088&bih=515#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=I0HGKbvEq1f0-M%253A%3B9yykDIdD-u0vjM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F6%252F62%252FPeacock_Wooing_Peahen.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%252Fwiki%252FFile%253APeacock_Wooing_Peahen.jpg%3B1200%3B896
Gary-Phil. 2:5-8Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Brothagary,I have a question regarding Jesus going to hell. What is your understanding as to which hell the bible is referring to in the scriptures?Was it the place of eternal torment (geeena used 12 times in the NT) or was it the place of departed spirits (hades used 11 times in the NT)? Both of these places are referred to as hell in the New Testament. This is a very important question because there are some that teach Jesus went to eternal torment (geeena)and not simply the place of departed spirits which is defined by the Greek word hades which the scriptures clearly teach was Abrahams Bosom, Paradise.BD
It is important for me to note that I believe this emptying was voluntary on the part of Jesus in that he *chose* not to exercise them. I guess you could say that he veiled these attributes while he was in human form. He didn't lose them but did not exercise them. Jesus did not know how many planets there were in the solar system when he was lying in the manger. All he did as a baby was poop cry and eat like all human babies. I know this may seem strange for some to consider but it is true. Gary the Bible does not explicitly state that Jesus never made a mistake in fact. The issue is whether he might have. When he learned the Hebrew alphabet did he never write a letter slightly the wrong way? When he learned carpentry did he never once measure wrong? We can't confuse sinless perfection with mistakes or errors. I am not talking about moral errors because I have repeatedly affirmed that Jesus was sinless.
I guess you could say that he veiled these attributes while he was in human form. He didn't lose them but did not exercise them.
I didn't mean to sound as if I was disparaging reformed theology. Some if my favorite Bible teachers are reformed. I just disagree on some points (like Calvinism) which of course is a fairly big part. So havok.. You sort of answered my question because you said you don't think Jesus ever made a mistake. Does this mean that you would affirmatively state that Jesus was the perfect student, carpenter, recaller of peoples' names etc? In other words would you affirm that not only did he exhibit sinless perfection but also everything-else-perfection? I am sorry if it seems I am trying to pin you down but I am curious on what basis you say this because Heb 2:17 says that he was like us in every way and a hallmark of humans is that they make errors. In other words I am not sure what in your theology compels you to think that Jesus knew how to tie his sandals on the very first try or that he never tripped and skinned his knee because he didn't watch where he was walking. Scripture also says that he is able to sympathize with our weaknesses. Seriously not trying to pick on you just trying to understand. Perhaps I am dead wrong in my thinking.
That's alright, TMK.I really don't plan to discuss this anymore, at least at this time. The Scripture makes it clear that Jesus was perfect. It doesn't show that He made mistakes like the ones of which you are speaking. So how can I formulate a constrasting opinion. The best I can say is, "Scripture doesn't teach/show/discuss that." And the most negative I can say is simply, "I don't know." Either one is a valid answer from me.I really feel like we are venturing into speculative theology now.