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But brother, you must allow for other brothers to live according to their conscious, right? So, if a brother and sister are against getting a marriage certificate from the State, a birth certificate or SSN for their children, that is their choice. Correct?



My friend, again there is a great difference between posting a news item that is for prayer or has a prophetical element to it. There is another thing to consider that the USA gov't is conspiring to undermine everyone's property, identity etc. According to the laws in North America it is wise to simply obey them and follow them. If you are involved in an Amish community or strict mennonite group there are ways around depending on health care and other things but all groups are required to have birth certificates and drivers licenses.

Again what is the point to be a soveriegn. Jesus Christ did not try and do that nor did the Apostles and they were under a strong control of an empire that was taxing them.

I believe we ought to simply obey the laws of the land. Be reputable citizens. But live as citizens of the kingdom of God. I do not want to truly OWN land on this earth because we are going to have to leave it all. Everything is on loan here for Christians so the idea of having independent rule and freedom on the earth is not a Christian virtue. But America as a republic promoted this ideal to a point.

I am sorry brother to confront you on this issue it is something we do not want propagated on the website because of its conspiracy nature and tone. And we do not believe its biblical because Romans 13 and other passages tell us to pay taxes and obey authorities.


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 2014/3/2 21:39Profile
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A promissory note is just a document you give the bank saying you'll repay them for giving you a place to live. And you agree as collateral to your promise to pay to let them take the place back should you fail to do as you promised. If they take it back when you do this, it is your fault, not the Rothschilds and Rockerfellars.


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 2014/3/2 21:42Profile
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Thanks! Since I live in the socialist paradise awaiting a drop into the Pacific Ocean, at least I know our time difference.

Love ya, brother!


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Ok, Greg, please understand, I am talking about fact not conspiracy. But, I understand that when you are hearing something new and outrageous, it is easy to call it a conspiracy. You can check everything. Christians of all people should know about these things, don't you think?

Check out the origination of the birth certificate. It did not come into existence until 1933. Does this make you wonder why?
http://macquirelatory.com/Birth%20Certificate%20Truth.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu9GfnWyCmM


Why are you so nervous about this. Who is talking to you. You can read and think for yourself and understand. You're from Canada, right? So, you are accustomed to different laws there. But in our Constitution we have the right to move about freely and travel unencumbered. They cannot turn a liberty into a crime but they are trying to. Now, if you are a traveller on the roads you don't need a driver's license, but if you are operating on the roads as a commercial concern then the DMV defines you as a Driver and not a traveller.

When you register anything with a U.S. governmental body, you are transferring ownership of that possession to them.

When you register your car with the DMV you are giving ownership over to them.

In California, a license is defined as "A permit, granted by an appropriate governmental body, generally for a consideration, to a person or firm, or corporation to pursue some occupation or to carry on some business subject to regulation under the police power."
Rosenblatt v. California, 158 P2d 199, 300.

If ever a judge understood the public's right to use the public roads, it was Justice Tolman of the Supreme Court of the State of Washington. Justice Tolman stated:

"Complete freedom of the highways is so old and well established a blessing that we have forgotten the days of the Robber Barons and toll roads, and yet, under an act like this, arbitrarily administered, the highways may be completely monopolized, if, through lack of interest, the people submit, then they may look to see the most sacred of their liberties taken from them one by one, by more or less rapid encroachment." Robertson vs. Department of Public Works, 180 Wash 133, 147.

"The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by horse drawn carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city can prohibit or permit at will, but a common Right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson vs. Smith, 154 SE 579.

Here the court held that a Citizen has the Right to travel upon the public highways, but that he did not have the right to conduct business upon the highways. On this point of law all authorities are unanimous.

"Heretofore the court has held, and we think correctly, that while a Citizen has the Right to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, that Right does not extend to the use of the highways, either in whole or in part, as a place of business for private gain." Barney vs. Board of Railroad Commissioners, 17 P.2d 82; Willis vs. Buck, 263 P.l 982.

"The right of the citizen to travel upon the highway and to transport his property thereon, in the ordinary course of life and business, differs radically and obviously from that of one who makes the highway his place of business for private gain in the running of a stagecoach or omnibus." State vs. City of Spokane, 186 P. 864.

So what is a privilege to use the roads? By now it should be apparent even to the "learned" that an attempt to use the road as a place of business is a privilege. The distinction must be drawn between... Travelling upon and transporting one's property upon the public roads, which is our Right; and Using the public roads as a place of business or a main instrumentality of business, which is a privilege.

Other U.S. court cases that confirm and point out the difference between the "right" of the citizen to travel and a government "privilege" are - Barney v Board of Railroad Commissioners; State v City of Spokane, 186 P. 864; Ex Parte Dickey (Dickey v Davis), 85 S.E. 781; Teche Lines v Danforth, 12 So.2d 784. In Marbury v. Madison, 5 US 137 (1803) it is stated that The Constitution of these United States is the supreme law of the land. Any law that is repugnant to the Constitution of America is null and void.

Murdock v. Penn., 319 US 105 (19) "No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and attach a fee to it." Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 373 US 262 (1963) "If the State converts a liberty into a privilege, the Citizen can engage in the right with impunity." Miller v. U.S., 230 F. 2nd. 486, 489 (5th Cir. 1959) Id. at 489-490

 2014/3/2 22:47
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 Re: mortgages in the modern world

I agree that my obligation to pay the mortgage is both a spiritual as well as legal obligation. The agreement requires I pay in local official currency, not in chickens and bushels of beans.

But the larger issue is the currency itself, way beyond my control. To Just-in's points, as near as I can understand this stuff, is that the currency itself has become debt based rather than value based. The banks and the governments shuffle debt back and forth, not gold or even oil.

All of it speaks to a sudden crash at some point in the future, and this is a spiritual concern. We all trade in this debt, and since there is nothing backing it up, the paper we hold can potentially lose all of its value overnight. The crash of paper will affect everyone, Christian or not. In my opinion, this is an area fit for discussion and we need to know what to expect, what we need to do to help one another. This to me is not about conspiracy theory, it is about living with an open spiritual ear to the sound of the trumpet.


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Dear brother Sidewalk,

We already crashed. I have been blinded into thinking a crash is coming but we crashed and went into bankruptcy in 1933 and subsequent receivership to the International Monetary Fund.

Read this link slowly, carefully: http://macquirelatory.com/Birth%20Certificate%20Truth.htm

Greg, please give us the freedom to discuss these things. They are very important to explaining to us what is going to happen in a general sense. Of course, we don't know details, but I am getting a general sense of what is going to happen from my research. And each man needs to understand these things as he will be faced with some difficult decisions.

Sidewalk, here is an excerpt of the link, but please read the whole thing.

Since 1921 the American people have been registering the births and names of their children with the government of the state in which they are born, even though there is no federal law requiring it. The state tells you that registering your child's birth through the birth certificate serves as proof that he/she was born in the United States , thereby making him/her a United States Citizen. For the past several years a social security number has been mandated by the federal government to be issued at birth. In 1933, bankruptcy was declared by President Roosevelt. The governors of the then 48 States pledged the "full faith and credit" of their states, including the citizenry, as collateral for loans of credit from the Federal Reserve system. To wit:"Full faith and credit" clause of Const. U.S. article 4. sec. 1, requires that foreign judgement be given such faith and credit as it had by law or usage of state of its origin. That foreign statutes are to have force and effect to which they are entitled in home state. And that a judgement or record shall have the same faith, credit, conclusive effect, and obligatory force in other states as it has by law or usage in the state from whence taken.

The state claims an interest in every child within it's jurisdiction. The state will, if it deems it necessary, nullify your parental rights and appoint a guardian (trustee) over your children. The subject of every birth certificate is a child. The child is a valuable asset, which if properly trained, can contribute valuable assets provided by its labor for many years. Why do you think they teach teachers to not only teach their students, but their parents that their child needs a good education so that they can grow up and get a good job? Lol they been making the people slaves for years and no one has ever stopped to question them on it? The child itself, when born, is the asset of the trust established by the birth certificate, and the social security number is the numbering or registration of the trust, allowing for the assets of the trust to be tracked, thus making whomever gets a birth certificate owned by the state. Everyone who has a birth certificate, are considered assets of the bankrupt United States of America, which makes them designated by this government as "HUMAN RESOURCES". Again, ask yourself, why do you think when you call to see if a company is hiring, you have to go through a division known as Human Resource? Better wakeup folks!

Today we are defined as human resources, believed to be owned by the government. The government now wants us, as individuals, to be tagged and tracked. Government mandated or legislated National I.D. is unconstitutional anyway you look at it. Federal jurisdiction to legislate for the several states does not exist. They have no legislation for ordering you to have a identification card, health card, and so forth, but they know the people are ignorant to the Law, so therefore by ignorance of the people, the government is allowed to freely at will keep coming up with forms of taxation against the American people. Birth Certificates proves that you are national property of the International Banks. The birth certificate thus becomes a form of theft, the theft of the child’s true identity as a free child of God to a servant of the State. By affixing a national seal of approval to a child, the state denies the freedom, rights, and dignity that God has ordained in the scriptures. You don't need proof that you were born, you breathing is proof enough for these hypocrites. By requiring a license, the state is claiming complete control and ownership over your liberty, and property. Christ's assembly does not exist on paper, but in the hearts of men, and is expressed in their outward acts. Because there is no breath of Life from God in such pieces of paper, we should not look to them for any authority for doing anything. Christ is our authority for doing the things we do.

 2014/3/2 23:05
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as per our community rule towards conspiracy theories we are going to lock this thread. We do not see Biblical warrant to go against normal societal policies and practices that do not compromise our belief in Scriptures and our calling as Christians. Try traveling the world without passport to any country you will not get far. I am not condemning you for what you believe but we do believe it is not healthy for these things to be promoted here and we do not want to associate sermonindex with these things.

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