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 The Resurrection

Today there is so much discussion on the word Rapture but sadly this was never a discussion in the Bible whether Old Testament or New testament, the discussion was always about the Resurrection.
All I can find in the Old Testament and also the New testament is the Resurrection of the Just and a Resurrection of the unjust.
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Act_24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Luk_14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.
Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Jesus spoke on the resurrection of the Just and of the unjust, Paul spoke of the Resurrection of the Just and the unjust, Revelations speaks of the First resurrection and the second resurrection.
Jesus very clearly stated that He would raise His believers on the Last Day,
Joh_6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh_6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh_6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
The last days are mentioned in scripture and refer to the events that take place before Jesus comes, so if Jesus comes at the last day then this last day must refer to the last day of the last days.
The Resurrection and the Resurrection body is mentioned in great detail in Corinthians it says
1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

It very clearly talks about the resurrection of the believer and the body the believer is raised in and states that Jesus is the Firstfruits that rose from the Dead in a new immortal body and that afterward at his coming those that are His will be raised in the new immortal body.

So Jesus will raise us up at the last day as stated in John several times, and this last day will be the last day of the last days and be at his coming as Corinthians states, there is an order, first Christ and afterwards those that are Christs at his coming, this is clearly a singular event in time where those that are Christs are raised.

Revelations states that those that are in the first resurrection do not have to fear the second death a 1000 years later, it is a promise.
If it is the first resurrection of those in the new immortal body then it is the first resurrection, there can not be any earlier resurrections and in scripture there is no mention of any people being raised in the new immortal body, only mentions of people being raised from the dead the same as Lazarus, but they were all in the mortal body and did eventually die.

My question is this, using Scripture,
How many times is Jesus supposed to come again, I can only find reference to his second coming?
how many times does Jesus come as a thief in the night, I can only find where He comes as a thief once?
How many times does he come in the clouds, I can only find once and that is at the sound of the trumpet and believers gathered to him?
How many trumpet calls are there at Jesus coming, I can only find the last trumpet of God?
When does Jesus come in the clouds, I can only find once after the tribulation and after the signs in heaven?
How many times does Jesus come in the clouds and gathers to himself those that are his?

When the book of Revelations clearly states this is the First resurrection is this one singular resurrection as it states or does it say these are the first resurrections, the resurrection is always stated as a singular event, the resurrection of the Just and the resurrection of the unjust?

All I can find in scripture where Jesus himself is speaking is this, He clearly states that He will be coming in the clouds, with the sound of a trumpet and He will gather to himself from all 4 points of heaven and earth the elect, and this clearly happens after the sun is darkened, moon is red, stars are falling from heaven and this Jesus said is after the Tribulation.

This declaration by Jesus is so clear and undisputed, I cannot find any verse that clearly states the opposite and cannot find any verse in scripture that supports a resurrection of those in Christ before the Tribulation.

I can recommend very strongly that you watch the video below by shane Willard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDL-3uG7zEc

If there are any clear verses that states differently to Jesus of the time of his coming, please provide?

The Rapture is the means by which the Resurrection of the Just takes place.

Our hope is in Jesus Christ and his coming and appearing and the resurrection of our bodies dead or alive by the means of the one and only singular rapture of the saints into the clouds to meet Him and we all will have no fear of the second death as we will be in that first resurrection where the bride has made herself ready and the marriage is to take place.

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