I would make a clear distinction between the world post Acts 2 and the world prior.
Men themselves post Acts 2 would be the house of God.
This is a holy priesthood energized to offer up spiritual sacrifices to the Lord.
But it began in the heart.
As wonderful as was all the OT Saints enjoyed- I still believe the New Testament saints know the working of the Holy Spirit in a fuller way than at any time in history.
I respect your view but I disagree with it.
This verse is a call to continual filling it does not imply that the vessel is empty before it is filled. The tenses require that it really ought to be translated 'continue to be filled with the Holy Spirit'.
JimmyI know that you are one to dig into things a bit deeper... have you noticed that 'being filled with the Spirit' is really Luke's phraseology and is not used by other NT writers. Paul is not referring to a crisis in Ephesians but to a steady process as it shown by the Present Imperative as distinct to the Aorist Imperative in John 20:22...Luke seems to use the phrase 'was filled with the Spirit' as a generic term for a crisis event of the Spirit. It might be seen as a synonym for the Spirit 'falling on' people.There seems, with some, to be an assumption that only the regenerate can be 'filled with the Spirit' but John Baptist was 'filled with the Spirit' from his mother's womb so are we to imply that he was regenerated at the moment of his natural birth? Surely not?There are several Old Testament references which, by implication, point to 'being filled with the Spirit, but as a moment of special empowering. Joshua, Bezaleel and Aholiab, and Ezekiel all fall into this category but to read the accounts makes it very plain that we are reading about 'anointings' and 'equipping events' rather than transformations of character. This seems to fulfil the Old Testament pattern that the Spirit is evidenced primarily as a giver of 'power to do', rather that the New Testament pattern of 'power to be'.What do you think?
This seems to fulfil the Old Testament pattern that the Spirit is evidenced primarily as a giver of 'power to do', rather that the New Testament pattern of 'power to be'.
6 The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you [b]will be changed into a different person[/b]. 7 Once these signs are fulfilled, do whatever your hand finds to do, for God is with you.8 "Go down ahead of me to Gilgal. I will surely come down to you to sacrifice burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, but you must wait seven days until I come to you and tell you what you are to do."9 As Saul turned to leave Samuel, [b]God changed Saul's heart[/b], and all these signs were fulfilled that day.,"
It is also a sobering warning for those who interpret the fact that God's 'gifts and callings are without repentance' in an absolute manner; this anointing was not 'without repentance'.
_________________Robert Wurtz II
...have you noticed that 'being filled with the Spirit' is really Luke's phraseology and is not used by other NT writers. Paul is not referring to a crisis in Ephesians but to a steady process as it shown by the Present Imperative as distinct to the Aorist Imperative in John 20:22...
Luke seems to use the phrase 'was filled with the Spirit' as a generic term for a crisis event of the Spirit. It might be seen as a synonym for the Spirit 'falling on' people.
There seems, with some, to be an assumption that only the regenerate can be 'filled with the Spirit' but John Baptist was 'filled with the Spirit' from his mother's womb so are we to imply that he was regenerated at the moment of his natural birth? Surely not?
I agree that to be "filled with the Spirit" in the Old Testament is primarily thought of in terms of "power to do." However, such is keeping with Luke's usage of the same terminology in Luke/Acts as well. In fact, the chief example of this is seen in Christ's own Spirit baptism and the baptism of the Spirit of the Church in Acts 2. Surely in the waters of the Jordan Christ did not receive power to be, but rather power to do. And likewise, the emphasis on Acts 2 is not power to be, but power to do.
Have we never talked about this?
Why do you describe Christ's 'anointing' as Spirit Baptism?
THe annoting has been used falsely o we know, how those covetous lucre filled charismatics are!Here's John, I John 2:26-29 (W.TD.N.T) This have I written unto you, as concerning them that deceive you.27 And the anointing which ye have received of him dwelleth in you. And ye need not that any man teach you: but as that annointing teacheth you all things, and is true, and is no lie: and as it taught you, even so bide therein.28 ¶ And now babes abide in him, that when he shall appear, we may be bold, and not be made ashamed of him at his coming.29 If ye know that he is righteous, know also that he which followeth righteousness, is born of himNow brother shal betray the brother to death, because I see that many in the churches truly donot love their brother Iacob, how suche are Esau and Cain. FOr these trusted in the world, and their works were evil, which God iudged them by.I Peter 2:19-2519 For it commeth of grace, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.20 For what praise is it, if when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye take it patiently? But and if when ye do well, ye suffer wrong and take it patiently, then is there thanke with God.21 Hereunto verily were ye called, for Christ also suffered for our sakes: leaving us an ensample that ye should follow his steps,22 which did no sin, neither was there guile found in his mouth:23 which when he was reviled, reviled not again: when he suffered, he threatened not: but committed the cause to him that judgeth righteously,24 which his own self bare our sins in his body on the tree, that we should be delivered from sin and should live in righteousness. By whose stripes ye were healed.25 For ye were as sheep which go astray: but are now returned unto the shepherd, and bishop of your soulsCan you carry Salvation and health in the same book, try the Matthe/Tyndale (o and n.t) printed out avaiable almost nowhere (call it by fayth)For Lord thy salvaion is nie to them that fear thee, For here is the seperation of those that walk after the course of this world, and those that verily walk after ChristRevel 11:9 And the third angel followed them saying with a loud voice: If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or on his hand,10 the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured in the cup of his wrath. And he shall be punished in fire and brimstone, before the holy angels, and before the lamb.11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up evermore. And they have no rest day nor night, which worship the beast, and his image, and whosoever receiveth the print of his name.12 Here is the patience of saints. Here are they that keep the commandments and the faight of Iesu.Too much debate to put out with water, I know what comes out of the hertes of men, so no suprise punches can be pulled.T.MerrittRisen antiSathanasChrist will tread Satan under you feet shortly
_________________Terry L Merritt