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Ron the verses you quoted have reference to believers that span the whole of redemptive history. But at any point during redemptive history only a few will be saved. There will always be that "7000" that have not bowed the knee to Baal. Those will be the remnant.
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"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11
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There will always be that "7000" that have not bowed the knee to Baal. Those will be the remnant.
SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
| 2013/9/7 21:59||Profile|
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Let us consider what Peter is saying,
2 Peter 1:10- Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.
If the calling and choosing is already complete when we first believe then what is the need for Peter to write us to be diligent to make it certain? What is the need to practice and keep seeking things like Moral Excellence, Knowledge, Self Control, Perseverance, Godliness, brotherly kindness and in that love that are explained in Verses 6 to 8.
Peter says that as long as we practice these things our calling and selection are certain, else there is a possibility to fall away. That is why he is warning us. Whether you believe in a theology that says the chosen will have these qualities or only if you have these qualities you are chosen, there are conditions that are satisfied by those who are chosen which cannot be denied.
It is because of these verses it is unscriptural to believe that the whole world will be saved. No they will never be saved. But we should be eager to take the gospel to everyone because Christ has died for them. But only few out of them will be called to believe. And out of those called only few will be chosen who truly believed till the end, enduring all trails and temptations.
| 2013/9/10 6:10||Profile|
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The funny thing about those who talk about only a "small remnant" actually making it generally include themselves in the small remnant.
Just an observation.
| 2013/9/10 6:27||Profile|
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"But at any point during redemptive history only a few will be saved."
Bear, do you really believe this is the way God set things up, or that He is happy with this arrangement?
It seems to be an extremely discouraging way to look at things,and also seems to require a very dim view of God, to say the least.
Perhaps God's capacity for grace and mercy is just a tad more than you (or I) might think. I certainly hope so.
| 2013/9/10 19:37||Profile|
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Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
How many is this? 100,000,000 plus thousands of thousands.
Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
How many is this? 63,000 men left to give God glory.
Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
How many is this?
Revelation 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
How many is this? 200,000,000
These are just a few that are in print.
How many is a few? How big is the Father's House?
Only God knows the number saved, when the number of the Gentiles is come in unto the very last person. How many?
This is just Gentiles.
In Christ: Phillip
| 2013/9/10 20:38||Profile|
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Mt 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Mt 22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
Mt 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
Mt 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
Mt 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Mt 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
How do we reconcile this with?
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
For this is truth; 1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.
In Christ: Phillip
| 2013/9/12 0:05||Profile|
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And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. Daniel 11:33
Another scripture that states "many" will be instructed in the last days by people who understand.
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Sorry bro. Only a few will be saved.
| 2013/9/12 18:30|
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And someone said to Him, "Lord are there just a -few- who are being saved? And he said to them, " Strive to enter through the narrow door, for -many-, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able .
However, when the Son of nan comes, will He find faith on the earth?
Saints those who follow Christ have always been few. Again those who follow Christ have always been few. This has always been the scope of redemptive history. There has always been a remnant. Those "7000" who have never bowed their knees to the Basis of the age.
Even in China where the greatest revival the world is seeing Christians are in a minority. The next movement of God is not going to be a third wave. It will be a qualitative move of gospel holiness set amongst a remnant. Powerful yes. But only for a few.
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