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Mr_Nath
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 TNIV - Your Thoughts??

An open question, what is your personal feelings towards to newly released version of the Bible, the 'Todays New International Version'??

In Christ,

Mr Nath.

 2005/3/18 18:59Profile
Mr_Nath
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 Re: TNIV - Your Thoughts??

And a strange question I know - but who is the person in my Avator Icon?? I picked it as it seems to look strangly like me, my wife hesitantly agrees as well. :/

And here is a link to the [url=http://www.tniv.info/index.php]TNIV Site[/url]

 2005/3/18 19:03Profile
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Just another [i]Bible[/i] based on the wrong texts. I am not a "KJV Only" advocate and I do not believe that any translation from the original Greek/Hebrew text is divinely inspired. Many "KJV Only" enthusiasts believe that ONLY the KJV translators have given us God's perfect word in English. Some "KJV Only" Enthusiasts even believe that the KJV has actually improved upon the original Greek/Hebrew texts. I believe the KJV most accurately translates the original manuscripts off all available english bible versions but I do not believe it is the only valid English Translation.

That being said, most (if not all) of our modern versions (NIV, NASB, GOOD NEWS, LIVING, NKJV, etc.) are clearly flawed. From dynamic equivalence ,to pure paraphrase, to the texts they base their translations on, there are serious questions that should be raised about the wide acceptance of every new translation coming out today. One thing that even a laymen should notice when comparing the modern versions with the KJV is how all of the modern versions completely omit verses, words, or phrases. The numbering is retained but in the case of removed verses the text will jump from say Matthew 18:10 to 18:12. Matthew 18:11 is completely omitted but the numbering stays the same so no one will notice unless they attempt to read Matthew 18:11. Another thing more mature Christians should notice is how everywhere a modern version does depart from the Textus Receptus (received text) it always removing, never adding. And in many cases the omissions have direct effects on doctrine such as the Trinity,
Salvation, or Christ's deity. There are numerous examples of this and I am not trying to start a KJV vs. all other translations war here. My feeling is that no one is reading the Bible anymore, otherwise all of these new translations would be critiqued more heavily than they are.


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 2005/3/19 20:26Profile
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 Re:

I currently choose to read the KJV but I think I need to learn Greek/Hebrew :)

In Christ,

Mr Nath.

 2005/3/20 1:29Profile
Angyl
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and have actually improved upon the original Greek/Hebrew texts.



Um...no we don't.

Or I should not generalize, as you have. We certainly don't ALL believe that the KJV version is actually [b][u]improved[/b][/u] over the Greek/Hebrew. 'fact I've never met a KJV-onlyist who holds that view.

Otherwise, I agree with most of your points.

 2005/3/20 18:12Profile
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Greetings brothers and sisters in Christ:
I begin with Quoting Matt25:
That being said, most (if not all) of our modern versions (NIV, NASB, GOOD NEWS, LIVING, NKJV, etc.) are clearly flawed. From dynamic equivalence ,to pure paraphrase, to the texts they base their translations on, there are serious questions that should be raised about the wide acceptance of every new translation coming out today. One thing that even a laymen should notice when comparing the modern versions with the KJV is how all of the modern versions completely omit verses, words, or phrases.

This blatant attack on the Word of God should be the concern of every believer.

2 Timothy 2:15 the Word tells us to Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, right dividing the work of truth. 16.But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2 Peter 3:18 encourages… But grow in grace (not only is this the unmerited favor from God but it is also the divine influence of God upon the hearts of man and its reflection in the life of every man), and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ…

We can only do this when we have the Word of God hidden in our hearts. The Holy Spirit is our teacher, instructing and comforting us.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
We are familiar with the first half of the above verse, but how many read and understand the second half of the same verse?
God is not a man that He should lie, He watches over His word to perform it. The Word of God does not return void.

Satan can not come to us as he is, so he must be crafty as he was in Gen. 3:1 when he twisted the Word of God in speaking to Eve ( a picture of the flesh, the weaker vessel). Since the enemy of our souls can not come directly at the church (2 Corinthians 11: 14-15), he slides in the side door, he comes in the back door, he works subtly within the body of Christ. He is a thief, a robber and a destroyer. We all know this but we forget how subtle his craftiness can be and are unaware that he knows the Word of God more than most of the body of Christ.

What a sad statement this is: GOD’S PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORD OF GOD.

If he can not get us blatantly then he will come in the side door and ATTACK THE WORD OF GOD with these versions which change the Word of our Lord. We must be careful to STUDY to show ourselves workmen, accurately handling the Word.

With this said, I once carried the NASB, until one day I found numerous verses had been OMITTED completely. Then I purposed in my heart to research the versions, I choose the KJV as my primary reader, but do will sometimes refer to the alternate versions when doing a deep study. Yes they can have their place but once again we must take HEED, for even the elect may be deceived. I have a KJV published in 1898 and the one I carry today… NO CHANGES!!

I challenge you to go to
http://www.av1611.org

Look for the Articles: Bible Verses Removed from New Versions and Bible Words Removed from New Versions and a Bible Version Comparison chart.
This will give you a lot of information so you can be truly ready to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason for the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: … 1 Peter 3:15

What better way than to attack the standard and cause confusion within the body of Christ? How many have noticed that not many people are even carrying their sword to worship? If they do, the covers are still nice and new, not even having been wielded properly? We can not fight without the weapons given to us from the Father! THE WORD OF GOD IS A 2-EDGED SWORD!

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 3:5-8 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord and depart from evil.
Proverbs 2:1-22 Reward of heeding wisdom.

Quoting Matt25:
My feeling is that no one is reading the Bible anymore, otherwise all of these new translations would be critiqued more heavily than they are.

I close with the word from REV. 3: 20 - 22
BEHOLD, I stand at the door (your heart) and knock: if any man hear my voice (the WORD), and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne even as I also overcame, and am sat down with my Father in his throne.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Brothers and Sisters in Christ, I admonish you to grab hold of the WORD OF GOD TODAY FOR IT IS LIFE AND HEALTH TO YOUR SOUL! JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD MADE FLESH. HE IS THE MANNA WHICH BRINGS LIFE TO OUR SPIRIT. WE ARE TO DESIRE THE WORD MORE THAN OUR OWN FOOD.
SET A STANDARD FOR THOSE AROUND YOU! GET IN THE WORD, DON’T SETTLE FOR A TRANSLATION, AN INTERPRETATION, OR A WATERED DOWN VERSION.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not an author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
I remain
Am_Lovin_HIM


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 2005/3/20 22:54Profile
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BIBLE VERSION COMPARISON
by Terry Watkins
". . .ye have perverted the words of the living God. . ." Jeremiah 23:36

The following table lists 300 verses that have been changed in the seven most popular versions.

THE SEVEN MOST POPULAR VERSIONS
NI New International Version
NAS New American Standard Version
NKJ New King James Version
RS Revised Standard Version
NRS New Revised Standard Version
LB The Living Bible
NC New Century Version

VERSE DESCRIPTION OF CHANGE CHANGED IN...
Matt. 1:25 REM "Firstborn" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 5:22 REM "without a cause" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 5:44 REM 12 WORDS "bless them that curse you..." NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 6:13 REM LAST 14 WORDS (For thine is the kingdom...) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 6:27 CHG "cubit to his stature" TO "hour to his life" et. al. NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 6:33 REM "of God" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 8:29 REM "Jesus" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 9:13 REM "to repentance" (see also Mark 2:17) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 11:23 REM hell NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
Matt. 12:6 REM "one greater" TO "something greater" NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Matt. 12:35 REM "of the heart" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Matt. 12:40 CHG "whale" TO "fish", sea monster NI, NAS, NKJ, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 12:47 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, RS, NRS,
Matt. 13:51 REM "Lord" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 15:8 REM "draweth nigh unto me with their mouth" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 16:3 REM "o ye hypocrites" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 16:18 REM hell NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
Matt. 16:20 REM "Jesus" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 17:21 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Matt. 18:11 REM ENTIRE VERSE (key verse) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Matt. 18:26 REM and worshipped him (for Jesus) NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
Matt. 19:9 REM LAST 11 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 19:17 CHG "Why callest thou me good" TO "Why do you ask me about what is good" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Matt. 19:17 REM "God" NI, NAS, RS, NRS
Matt. 20:7 REM "and whatsoever is right that shall ye receive" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 20:16 REM "for many be called but few chosen" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 20:20 CHG "worshipping him" TO "kneeling down" NI, NAS, RS, NRS
Matt. 20:22 REM 12 WORDS "baptized with Christ's baptism" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 21:44 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, RS, NRS, NC
Matt. 23:14 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Matt. 23:33 CHG damnation TO condemn, et. al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 24:36 ADD "nor the Son" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 24:36 CHG "my Father" TO "the Father" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 25:13 REM "wherein the Son of man cometh" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB
Matt. 27:35 REM LAST 25 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 27:54 CHG "the Son of God" TO "a son of God" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 28:2 REM "from the door" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Matt. 28:9 REM "And as they went to tell his disciples" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 1:1 REM the Son of God NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Mark 1:2 CHG "prophets" TO "Isaiah" (blatant LIE) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 1:14 REM "of the kingdom" (gospel ... of God) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 1:31 REM "immediately" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 2:17 REM "to repentance" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
Mark 3:29 CHG "eternal damnation" TO "eternal sin", et al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 6:11 REM LAST 23 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Mark 7:8 REM LAST 15 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 7:16 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 9:24 REM "Lord" (refers to Jesus) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 9:44 REM ENTIRE VERSE (about hell) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 9:46 REM ENTIRE VERSE (about hell) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 9:49 REM "and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 10:21 REM "take up the cross" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 10:24 REM "for them that trust in riches" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Mark 11:10 REM "that cometh in the name of the Lord NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 11:26 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 12:23 REM "when they shall rise" NI, RS, NRS, LB,
Mark 12:40 CHG greater damnation TO punished most severely", greater condemnation" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 13:6 CHG I am Christ TO I am He, the One NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 13:14 REM "spoken of by Daniel the prophet" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 13:33 REM "and pray" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 14:68 REM "and the cock crew" NI, NAS, RS
Mark 15:28 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Mark 16:9-20 REM ENTIRE LAST 12 VERSES of Mark 16! NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 1:28 REM "blessed art thou among women" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 2:14 CHG good will toward men TO to men on whom his favor rests"et al NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 2:22 CHG "her" TO "their" (makes Jesus a sinner) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Luke 2:33 CHG "Joseph" TO "his father" (attacks virgin birth) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Luke 2:43 CHG "Joseph and his mother" TO "parents" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 4:4 REM "but by every word of God" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 4:8 REM "get thee behind me, Satan" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 4:18 REM 8 WORDS "he hath sent me to heal..." NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Luke 4:41 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 6:48 CHG "founded upon a rock" TO "well built" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 9:54 REM "even as Elijah did" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 9:55 REM 9 WORDS "ye know not what manner of spirit..." NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 9:56 REM FIRST 16 WORDS For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them." NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 9:57 REM Lord NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 10:15 REM hell NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
Luke 11:2 REM 15 WORDS from Lords prayer NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 11:4 REM but deliver us from evil (Lord's prayer) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 11:29 REM "the prophet" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 16:23 REM "hell" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 17:36 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 21:4 REM "cast in unto the offerings of God" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 21:8 CHG I am Christ TO I am He, the One NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 22:64 REM "they struck him on the face" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Luke 23:17 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 23:38 REM "letters of Greek,Latin, Hebrew" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 23:42 REM "Lord" (thief on the cross - getting saved!) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Luke 24:6 REM "He is not here, but is risen" RS, NRS
Luke 24:49 REM "of Jerusalem" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB
John 1:14, 18 REM "begotten"(refers to Jesus) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 1:27 REM "is preferred before me" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 3:13 REM "which is in heaven" (refers to Jesus) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 3:15 REM "should not perish" (believeth in him...) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 3:16 REM "begotten" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 3:18 REM "begotten" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 4:24 CHG God is a Spirit TO God is Spirit NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 4:42 REM "the Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 5:3 REM LAST 7 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 5:4 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 5:16 REM "and sought to slay him" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 5:29 CHG damnation TO condemn, judgement NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 6:47 REM "on Me" (He that believeth...) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
John 6:69 CHG "Christ, the Son of the living God" TO "Holy One of God" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 7:53-8:11 REM VERSES 7:53 - 8:11 NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 8;9 REM "being convicted by their own conscience" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 8:47 REM "heareth God's words" TO "hears what God says" NI, NC
John 8:59 REM LAST 10 WORDS "going through the midst... NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 9:4 CHG "I must work the works" TO "We must work the works" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 9:35 CHG "Son of God" TO Son of Man , Messiah NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 11:41 REM "For the place where the dead was laid" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 14:2 CHG "mansions" TO "rooms", "dwelling places" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 14:16 CHG Comforter TO Helper, Counselor, et. al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
John 16:16 REM "because I go to the Father" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
John 17:12 REM "in the world" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

Acts 1:3 CHG "infallible" TO "convincing" et al. NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 2:30 REM "he would raise up Christ NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 2:31 REM "hell" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
Acts 2:38 CHG remission of sins TO forgiveness of sins NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 4:27,30 CHG "holy child" TO "holy servant" (attacks deity) NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 7:30 REM "of the Lord" (angel of the Lord) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 7:37 REM "Him shall ye hear" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 8:37 REM ENTIRE VERSE (major salvation verse) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 9:5 REM "it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 10:6 REM "he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 15:11 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 15:18 CHG beginning of the world TO ...eternity, ...ages NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 15:34 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 16:31 REM "Christ" (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 17:16 CHG "stirred" TO "provoked", distressed et al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 17:22 CHG "Mars Hill" TO" Areopagus" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
Acts 17:22 REM "superstitious" TO "religious" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 17:26 REM "blood" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 17:29 CHG Godhead TO Divine Nature , divine being NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 19:35 REM worshipper NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 20:21 REM Christ NI, NRS, NC
Acts 20:24 REM "none of these things move me. . ." NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 20:25 REM "of God" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB
Acts 23:9 REM "let us not fight against God" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 24:7 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Acts 24:14 CHG heresy TO sect NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB
Acts 24:15 REM "of the dead" (Resurrection) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB
Acts 28:16 REM 11 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Acts 28:29 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

Romans 1:3 REM "Jesus Christ our Lord" NI, NAS, RS, NRS
Romans 1:16 REM "of Christ" (gospel of Christ) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Romans 1:18 CHG "hold the truth" TO "suppress the truth" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 1:25 CHG "changed the truth" TO "exchanged the truth" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 1:29 REM "fornication" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 5:8 CHG commendeth to demonstrates , et al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 6:8 CHG we be dead TO we died NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 6:11 REM our Lord NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Romans 8:1 REM LAST 10 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 9:28 REM "in righteousness" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 10:15 REM LAST 9 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 10:17 CHG "word of God" TO word of Christ NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 11:6 REM "LAST 18 WORDS ARE OMITTED" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 13:2 CHG damnation TO judgment et al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 13:9 REM "Thou shall not bear false witness" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 14:6 REM 15 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 14:10 CHG "the judgement seat of Christ" TO "God's judgment seat" et al. NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 14:21 REM "or is offended, or is made weak" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 14:23 CHG damned TO condemned NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 15:8 REM Jesus NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Romans 15:19 REM "of God" NI, NAS, RS, LB, NC
Romans 15:29 REM "of the gospel" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 16:18 CHG good words and fair speeches TO smooth talk and flattery NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Romans 16:24 REM ENTIRE VERSE NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC

I Cor. 1:21 CHG "foolishness of preaching" TO "foolishness of the message preached" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 1:22 REM "require" TO "request", ask (Jews require a sign) NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 5:4 REM "Christ" (TWICE) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 5:7 REM "for us" (Christ sacrificed) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
I Cor. 6:9 CHG effeminate TO male prostitutes et al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 6:20 REM "and in your spirit, which are God's" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
I Cor. 7:5 REM "fasting" (with prayer) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 7:39 REM "by the law" (The wife is bound) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 9:1 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 9:27 CHG "I keep my body" TO "I beat my body" et al. NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 9:27 CHG "castaway" TO "disqualified" et al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 10:28 REM LAST 10 WORDS ("the earth is the Lord's...") NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 11:11 REM "in the Lord" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 11:24 REM "take eat . . . broken..." (Lord's Supper) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 11:29 CHG damnation TO judgment (Lord s Supper) NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 11:29 REM "unworthily" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
I Cor. 14:33 CHG "author of confusion" TO "a God of disorder" et al. NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 15:47 CHG Lord from heaven TO man from heaven NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 15:55 CHG "grave" TO "Hades", death NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 16:22 REM "Jesus Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
I Cor. 16:23 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

2 Cor. 2:10 CHG "person of Christ" TO "presence of Christ" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
2 Cor. 2:17 CHG "corrupt" TO "peddle", sell (word of God) NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
2 Cor.4:6 REM "Jesus" NI, NAS, RS, LB, NC
2 Cor. 4:10 REM "the Lord" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
2 Cor. 5:17 CHG "creature" TO "creation" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
2 Cor. 5:18 REM "Jesus" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
2 Cor.10:5 CHG "Casting down imaginations" TO "We demolish arguments" et al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
2 Cor.11:6 CHG rude in speech TO untrained in speech NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
2 Cor.11:31 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS

Gal. 2:20 REM "nevertheless I LBe" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Gal. 3:1 REM that ye should not obey the truth NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Gal.3:17 REM "in Christ" (confirmed...of God in Christ) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Gal. 4:7 REM "through Christ" (heir of God through Christ) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Gal. 5:4 CHG "no effect" TO "estranged from", alienated NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Gal. 6:15 REM "For in Christ Jesus" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Gal. 6:17 REM "the Lord" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

Ephesians 1:6 REM "accepted in the beloved" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Ephesians 3:9 REM "by Jesus Christ" (who created all things by) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Ephesians 3:14 REM "of our Lord Jesus Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Ephesians 5:9 CHG fruit of the Spirit TO fruit of the light NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Ephesians 5:30 REM "of his flesh, and of his bones" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

Philippians 2:6 CHG "thought it not robbery to be equal with God TO did not consider equality with God something to be grasped et al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Philippians 2:7 CHG "made" TO "emptied" NAS, RS, NRS, LB,
Philippians 3:8 CHG dung TO rubbish , trash NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Philippians 3:16 REM LAST 13 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Philippians 4:13 CHG through Christ TO through him NI, NAS, RS, NRS

Colossians 1:2 REM "and the Lord Jesus Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Colossians 1:14 REM "through His blood" (redemption through...) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Colossians 1:28 REM "Jesus" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Colossians 3:6 REM "on the children of disobedience" NI, NAS, RS, LB, NC

1 Thess. 1:1 REM LAST 9 WORDS (from God our father...) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Thess. 2:19 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS
1 Thess. 3:11 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Thess. 3:13 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Thess. 5:22 CHG "all appearance of evil" TO "every form of evil" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC

2 Thess. 1:8 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS
2 Thess. 1:12 REM Christ NI, NAS, RS, NRS

1 Timothy 1:1 REM Lord NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
1 Timothy 1:17 REM "wise" (the only wise God) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Timothy 2:7 REM "in Christ" (...the truth in Christ) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

1 Timothy 3:16 CHG "God" TO "he" (God manifest in the flesh) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Timothy 4:12 REM "in spirit" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Timothy 5:21 REM Lord NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
1 Timothy 6:1 CHG blasphemed TO spoken against et al. NI, NAS, RS, LB, NC
1 Timothy 6:5 CHG gain is godliness TO godliness is a means of gain et al. NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Timothy 6:5 REM "from such withdraw thyself" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
1 Timothy 6:10 CHG "root of all evil" TO "root of all kinds of evil" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Timothy 6:19 CHG "eternal life" TO "the life that is truly life" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Timothy 6:20 CHG "science" TO "knowledge" NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC

2 Timothy 1:11 REM "of the gentiles" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
2 Timothy 2:15 REM "study" (only command to study the word) NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
2 Timothy 3:3 CHG of those that are good TO good NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
2 Timothy 4:1 REM "the Lord" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
2 Timothy 4:22 REM "Jesus Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC

Hebrews 1:3 CHG "by himself purged our sins" TO "provided purification for sins" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Hebrews 2:7 REM LAST 10 WORDS (and didst set him over the works...) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Hebrews 3:1 REM "Christ Jesus" (High Priest of our...) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Hebrews 7:21 REM "after the order of Melchisedec" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Hebrews 10:34 REM "in heaven" (ye have in heaven a better) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Hebrews 11:11 REM "was delivered of a child" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

James 5:16 CHG "faults" TO "sins" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC

1 Peter 1:22 REM "through the Spirit" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Peter 2:2 REM "of the word" (sincere milk of the word) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Peter 2:2 CHG "grow thereby" TO "grow up in your salvation" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Peter 3:15 CHG the Lord God TO Christ as Lord et al. NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Peter 4:1 REM "for us" (Christ hath suffered for us) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Peter 4:14 REM LAST 15 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Peter 5:10 REM "Jesus" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Peter 5:11 REM "glory (to Him be glory and dominion) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 Peter 5:14 REM Jesus NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

2 Peter 2:1 CHG damnable TO destructive NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
2 Peter 2:17 REM "for ever" (darkness is reserved for ever) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
2 Peter 3:9 REM "us" TO "you" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

1 John 1:7 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 John 3:16 REM "of God" (love of God) NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 John 4:3 REM "Christ is come in the flesh" (antichrist) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 John 4:9 REM "begotten" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 John 4:19 REM him (We love him, because he first...) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 John 5:7 REM LAST 15 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 John 5:8 REM FIRST 9 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 John 5:13 REM LAST 13 WORDS NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
1 John 5:13 ADD continue to (denys eternal security) NKJ

2 John 1:3 REM the Lord NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

Jude 1:25 REM "wise" (Referring to God) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC

Rev. 1:8 REM "the beginning and the ending" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Rev. 1:9 REM Christ (TWICE) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 1:11 REM "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last . NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Rev. 1:18 REM hell NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
Rev. 2:13 CHG Satan's seat TO Satan s throne NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 2:15 REM "which thing I hate" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 5:14 REM "Him that liveth for ever and ever" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 6:8 REM Hell NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
Rev. 6:17 CHG his wrath TO their wrath NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 8:13 CHG "angel" TO "eagle" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 11:15 CHG "kingdoms" TO "kingdom" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 11:17 REM "and art to come" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 12:12 REM "inhabiters of" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Rev. 12:17 REM "Christ" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 14:5 REM "before the throne of God" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 15:3 CHG King of saints TO King of the ages et al. NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 16:5 REM and shalt be (refers to deity of Jesus) NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 16:7 CHG And I heard another out of the altar say TO And I heard the altar respond NI, NAS, RS, NRS
Rev. 16:17 REM "of heaven" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Rev. 20:9 REM "from God out of" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Rev. 20:12 CHG "God" TO "throne" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC
Rev. 20:13 REM hell NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 20:14 REM hell NI, NAS, NKJ, RS, NRS, NC
Rev. 21:24 REM "of them which are saved" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 22:14 CHG "do his commandments" TO "wash their robes" NI, NAS, RS, NRS, LB, NC
Rev. 22:21 REM Christ NI, NAS, RS, NRS, NC

this can be found on http://www.av1611.org/
look for the bible comparison chart


I exhort you to let the Spirit of God lead you in your studies....


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Dorothy

 2005/3/20 23:04Profile









 Re:

Quote:
KJV Only enthusiasts believe that the KJV translators have given us God's perfect word in English and have actually improved upon the original Greek/Hebrew texts.



Wow... not true at all. In fact, it's a very [b]small[/b] minority of people who believe that, and it does not represent the vast majority.

As with anything, there are people who take things to an extreme. If you read the writings of KJV supporters you will find that the credible ones do not support at all what you have stated. Thats just another un-truth thrusted upon an unsuspecting church that doesnt bother to take the time to actually examine the Bible version issue for themselves.

The TNIV is another attack on the Word of God in a long line of previous attacks... from the RSV (Wescott & Hort) on. These "bibles" are not even based on the same greek text as the KJV, the Reformation Bibles, Tyndale, Wycliff... etc. Anyone who has even studied just the basics of the Bible version issue understands this.

Krispy

 2005/3/21 8:21
jeremyhulsey
Member



Joined: 2003/4/18
Posts: 777


 Re:

If it were not for the gender neutral emphasis in the TNIV it would have actually been closer to a formal equivalence translation than the NIV which is a dynamic equivalence translation.

I am of the same opinion that the TNIV and the NIV use inferior texts to translate the New Testament.


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Jeremy Hulsey

 2005/3/21 9:39Profile
Matt25
Member



Joined: 2004/3/19
Posts: 69
Athens Ga

 Re: I've edited my original text regarding "KJV Only" advocates

I edited my original statement regarding KJV Only advocates. Poor job of clarifying what I meant. I know not all KJV Only advocates beileve that the KJV improved upon the received text. I am mainly lashing out at those who treat the KJV like it is a new revelation and divinely inspired as a translation. I believe only the original text is divinely inspired and as such any translation from that text into another language is subject to man's flaws. The KJV is the best available english translation because it is based on the true text -- the received text.


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Matt M.

 2005/3/21 11:51Profile





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