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MattMoran
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 Christian ... Disciple?

Is there any difference between a christian and a disciple? And if not...why do so many christians not FOLLOW Him, lose thier lives, Love Him more than their own Mother, Brother...etc?


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Matthew Moran

 2005/3/17 12:35Profile









 Re: Christian ... Disciple?

Matt. 16:24 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."

Acts 11:26 "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

A disciple and a Christian are the same in the bible.

It is the modern false gospel that makes a person think he is a Christian when in fact he is NOT.

 2005/3/17 12:49
MattMoran
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Praise Him,
I was sure from the state of the "Church" that people had this doctrine of Saved by mouth only!
Even the Theif on the Cross next to Jesus responded Just as Peter did "You are the Christ" But for that thief he was looking at a chunk of meat, not even recognised as a man, and he asked Him to remember him in His kingdom! That is REVERLATION...what Jesus said He would build His church on!


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Matthew Moran

 2005/3/17 12:55Profile









 
"Believers” Who Aren’t Disciples

This is from The Great Gospel Deception by david kirkwood

"Believers” Who Aren’t Disciples

Perhaps the greatest example of wrongly interpreting Jesus’ salvation invitations as calls to a “deeper walk” is the modern theological classification that makes a distinction between Christian believers and disciples. So many in the church are convinced that one can be a heaven-bound believer in Christ without being His disciple. The level of commitment Jesus required for one to be classed as His disciple is so high that many professing Christians must readily admit that they don’t measure up. But, not to worry, because in their minds the step of discipleship is optional. Not understanding the nature of saving faith, they conclude that becoming a disciple is not synonymous with becoming a Christian, because there is a cost to become a disciple, whereas salvation is free.

But such an understanding is seriously flawed. An honest examination of the New Testament reveals that disciples are not more highly-committed believers—they are the only true believers. In the early church, the modern distinction of “believers” and “disciples” did not exist. Everyone who believed in Jesus was His disciple. In fact, “the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch” (Acts 11:26, emphasis added).

To believe in Jesus was to follow Him obediently, and it still is. Salvation is indeed an unmerited gift, but one that can be received only by a living faith. The commitment that stems from such a faith is not meritorious; rather, it is validating. The grace that forgives us also transforms us."

 2005/3/17 14:57
Spitfire
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 Re: <br />"Believers” Who Aren’t Disciples

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An honest examination of the New Testament reveals that disciples are not more highly-committed believers—they are the only true believers.


Why isn't there more talk on this subject? Why do we call everyone who names the name of Christ, Christian? If this is true, there are churches full of people on their way to hell. -Dian.

 2005/3/17 21:10Profile
Smokey
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Luke 18:8 used to really be a mystery to me. This verse is beginning to make sense now. 8-)

Greg


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