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jeremyhulsey
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The research done by the independent researchers appointed by the court when this whole mess started show that Michael spent YEARS and very much money trying to care for his wife and improve her condition immediately after this happened to her. It was only when such methods failed repeatedly did he finally opt to do WHAT SHE ASKED HIM TO DO which is let her go.



I'd like to see your source material on this because it's quite wrong. Also, attending nurses in the early 90's have sworn affidavits stating that Michael Schaivo said on many occasions that he did not know Terri's wishes should she end up in such a condition. His testimony that she wished to have her life ended in a situation like this is only recent testimony, which, in fact, contradicts his earlier statements.


Here's a timeline of the events taken off of [url=www.terrisfight.net]www.terrisfight.net[/url]: It's quite long. This website also is filled with much valuable information on this topic.

1990

Feb - Terri Collapses in her home

May - Terri discharged from Humana Hospital in St Petersburg, Florida.

Dec - Terri taken to California for experimental implant


1991

Feb - Terri moved to home with husband.

Jan - Terri moved to Bradenton Mediplex Rehabilitation Center.

[b]Apr - Terri's condition is assessed as improving.[/b]

Apr - Terri's husband advised to move her to Gainesville Rehabilitation Center to receive advanced therapy to continue Terri's recovery.

Jul - Terri moved to Sable Palms Nursing Home.


1992

Aug - Terri awarded $250,000 in malpractice settlement.

Nov - Terri awarded $1.4 million in malpractice trial.

Nov - Michael Schiavo awarded $600,000 in malpractice trial.


[b]1993

Feb - Michael Schiavo denies recommended rehabilitation treatment.

Feb - Schiavo and Terri's parents have falling out regarding lack of therapy for Terri.

Feb - Schiavo withholds medical information from Terri's parents.

Feb - Schiavo posts Do not Resuscitate order in Terri's medical chart.

Jun - Schiavo threatens Schindler family with lawsuit.

Aug - Schiavo orders medical staff not to treat Terri for potentially fatal infection.

Sep - Bob and Mary Schindler petition courts to remove Schiavo as Terri's guardian.

Nov - Schiavo admits in deposition that he knew withholding treatment of infection could result in Terri's death.[/b]


1994

Feb - Judge Penick dismisses guardianship suit.

Apr - Terri moved to Palm Gardens Nursing Home.


1995

Sep - Schiavo orders Palm Gardens not to treat Terri for potentially fatal infection.


1996

Jun - Terri's parents obtain court order for access to Terri's medical records.


1997

May - Judge Shames approves Schiavo action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration.

Jul - Schiavo's engagement to Jodi Centonze announced.

Aug - Attorney Felos's letter notifying Terri's parents of action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration.


1998

Jun - Guardian ad Litem appointed by court to investigate Terri's case.

Oct - Schiavo offers to donate Terri's inheritance to charity if family agrees to allow removal of her hydration and nutrition.

Dec - Guardian ad Litem recommends the court not approve Schiavo's petition.


1999

Feb - Attorney George Felos files bias charges against Guardian ad Litem.

Jun - Guardian ad Litem dismissed by the court.


2000

Jan - Judge Greer Conducts Terri’s Feeding Tube Removal Trial.

Feb - Greer Rules to Remove Nutrition Feeding Tube.

[b]Feb – Affidavits filed by 3 doctors state Terri can swallow and is not PVS. [i]PVS is Persistant Vegetative State[/i]

Feb - Greer denies petition to allow Terri swallowing tests.

Apr - Terri Moved from Palm Gardens Nursing Home to Hospice Facility.

Apr - Greer denies motion to return Terri to Palm Garden Nursing home.

Apr - Greer imposes restricted visitor list for Terri.[/b]

Jul - Appeal filed with Appellate Court to overturn Greer’s verdict.

Nov - Appellate Court Conducts Oral Arguments.


2001

Jan 25 - The appellate court upholds Judge Greer’s ruling to remove Terri's feeding..

Feb. 8 - Motion for an Appellate Court rehearing or clarification - Denied.

Mar 12 - Schiavo petitions to remove Terri’s feeding immediately.

Mar 23 - Florida Supreme Court denies motion with the to review Terri's case.

Mar 22 - Appellate Court issued a 30 day execution stay.

Mar 29 - Judge Greer moves up feeding removal date to April 20, 2001.

Apr 1 - The Appellate Court denies extending Terri's stay of execution.

Apr 12 - Attorney Anderson files motion disqualify Judge Greer.

Apr 16 - Judge Greer denies disqualification motion.

Apr 18 - The Florida Supreme Court refuses to hear Terri’s case & denies Stay.

Apr 19 - The Federal Court claimed the issue was beyond that court's jurisdiction.

Apr 23 - The US Supreme Court refused to hear Terri’s case.

Apr 24 - Terri Feeding was terminated.

Apr 25 - Schiavo bans Terri brother and sister from visiting Terri.

Apr 25 - Schiavo ex girlfriend (Cyndi) reveals Schiavo lied about Terri’s death wishes.

[b]Apr 26 - Judge Greer refuses to hear new evidence about Schiavo’s lying.[/b]

Apr 26 - New evidence compels Civil court Judge Quesada to resume Terri's feeding.

Apr 30 - Schiavo files an emergency motion to have Terri's nutritional feeding stopped.

[b]May 7 - Affidavit filed by Dr. Hammesfahr (neurology) states Terri is not in a PVS.

May 7 - Schiavo charged in the Civil Court with fraud.

May 8 - Schiavo ex girlfriend (Cyndi) refuses to testify for fear of Schiavo.[/b]

May 9 - The 2nd District Court of Appeals announces "Oral Arguments Hearing" date.

May 11 - Schiavo motion to negate Judge Quesada's order denied.

[b]Jun 1 - Affidavits by five (5) Doctors were filed stating Terri was not in a PVS.[/b]

Jun 1 - Schiavo excused from rendering his deposition.

Jun 18 - Schiavo files an affidavit that Terri is in an irreversible vegetative.

Jun 21 - Chief Judge Demers gave Judge George Greer's Court authority to decide whether Terri should have any new medical evaluation or treatment.

Jun 25 - A three-member panel presided at the Appellate Court hearing.

Jul 11 - The Appellate Court ordered Greer court to conduct evidentiary hearings. The court denied Schiavo's attorneys request to order Terri's feeding stopped.

July 23 - Schiavo filed a motion for Judge Greer to immediately stop Terri's feeding.

Aug 7 - Judge Greer totally ignored or rationalized all the evidence presented to him. Orders Terri's feeding stopped on August 28, 2001.

Aug 10 - Attorney Anderson motion to disqualify Judge Greer denied.

Aug 14 - Greer denies request for Conducting Terri Medical Examinations.

Aug 16 - Attorney Anderson files a Notice of Appeal with the 2nd District Appeal Court.

Aug 17 - Judge Greer grants Terri a stay of execution until October 9, 2001.

Aug 20 - Schiavo files with the 2nd District Appeal Court to overrule Judge Greer stay.

Oct 7 - 2nd District Appeal Court orders Terri to be neurological tested.

Oct 23 - Schiavo files a motion to reverse the Appellate Court neurological tests order.

Nov 1 - The 2nd District Court of Appeals denies Schiavo's motion..

Nov 16 - Terri's medical testing plan will be determined before a mediator.

Dec 19 - Attorneys meet with a mediator in an attempt to agree upon the tests .


2002

Jan 18 - Mediated agreement failed, testing is back Greer’s courtroom to be resolved.

Jan 25 - Attorney Anderson petitioned the court for an evidentiary guardianship hearing.

Jan 29 - Judge Greer approved Schiavo's motion to cancel the evidentiary hearing.

Feb 7 - Schiavo files with the Florida Supreme Court to overturn the Appellate Court's October ruling which spared Terri's life.

Mar 14 - The Florida Supreme Court denied Michael Schiavo’s appeal.

Jun 19 - Schiavo objects to the medical and neurological testing.

Jul 1 - Judge Greer conducted a 3+ hr hearing involving three issues:
1. Schiavo’s Plan to Enroll Terri into a Medicaid Program
2 Termination of Schiavo's Attorney Fees
3. Equal Payment for Terri's Examining Doctors

Jul 10 - Court Hearing again was for the purpose of allowing certain medical tests that were requested to evaluate Terri’s true medical and neurological condition.

Jul 12 - Judge Greer ruled -not-to-pay- Terri’s doctors for their professional fees to examine Terri. Notably, in a previous hearing, Judge Greer -approved- payment for Schiavo’s doctors fees.

Jul 22 - Judge Greer approved three of Terri’s desired neurological tests and rejected a dozen other.

Aug 28 - Judge Greer established the dates for Terri's trial.

Oct 2 - Schiavo files petition to prohibit the media from seeing Terri’s recent neurological examination videotapes or airing the video’s to the public after they have been presented to the court as evidence.

Oct 2 - Schiavo petitioned the court to authorize Terri’s cremation.

Oct 11-22 Terri’s trial

Nov15 - Judge Greer conducted a hearing in response to a motion Attorney Anderson filed requesting time to investigate recent evidence suggesting Terri’s heart failure may have been caused by physical abuse.

Nov 22 - Greer orders Terri’s starvation death to begin on Jan 3, 2003.

Dec 9 - Attorney Anderson filed a ‘Notice of Appeal’ to the 2nd District Appellate Court.

Dec 9- Attorney Anderson filed a motion with Judge Greer to ‘stay’ the January 3rd feeding termination date.

Dec 10 - Schiavo filed a motion with Judge Greer to strike attorney Anderson’s motion to ‘stay,’ requesting a court hearing to argue his objection.

Dec 13 - Judge Greer acquiesced to Michael Schiavo’s attorney motion to conduct a hearing, which resulted in a ‘stay’ being granted, pending appellate resolution.

Dec 18 - Schiavo filed a motion with the 2nd District Appellate Court to overturn Judge Greer’s December 13th order.

Dec 23 - The 2nd Appellate Court denied Michael Schiavo’s attorney motion to overturn Judge Greer’s December 13, 2002 ‘stay’ order. Furthermore, the Appellate Court established filing dates and scheduled Appellate oral arguments to take place on April 4, 2003.


2003

Guardian Removal Petition Still Pending…
On November 15, 2002, attorney Anderson filed a petition with Judge Greer to remove Michael Schiavo as Terri’s legal guardian. The petition included a declaration of Adversary Proceedings, charging that Michael Schiavo violated a dozen or more specific Florida Statutes while serving in his capacity as Terri’s legal guardian.

Apr - Appellate Court Hearing.

Jun - Appellate Court Upholds Greer.

Jul - Appellate Court Denies Court Review and Stay.

Jul - Appellate Court grants 30 day stay.

Aug - Terri hospitalized under mysterious conditions, denied visits from her priest.

Sep - Emergency hearing to allow visitation and obtain current medical information.

Sep - Michael Schiavo ordered by court to give discharge summary to Terri's parents.

Sep - Judge Greer scheduled October 15, 2003 for the removal of Terri's sustenance.

Oct - 15 Terri's sustenance removed at Hospice Woodside in Pinellas Park, FL.

Oct - 20 Florida Legislature and Senate meet in special session Terri's bill is introduced.

Oct - 21 Terri's bill approved, signed into law. Governor Bush issues executive orderr.

Oct - 23 Michael Schiavo announces plans to sue Governor Bush and challenge Terri's Law as unconstitutional.

Oct - Dr. Jay Wolfson of Tampa, Florida assigned as independent Guardian ad Litem.

Nov - New Guardianship hearing in Sixth Circuit court.

Nov - Disability advocacy groups file Amicus Brief.

Nov - Judge Baird to hear case on Terri's Law. Governor not properly served in suit, appeals venue.

Nov - Governor Bush petitions to remove Judge W. Douglas Baird on suggestion of bias.

Dec - 3 Terri's birthday. Supporters convene at Woodside Hospice. Terri receives more than 1,000 birthday cards and gifts.

Dec - Governor Bush denied discovery in Schiavo v Bush. Governor denied subpoenaing witnesses.

Dec - 20 Guardian ad Litem dismissed by Judge Demers.

Dec - 22 Judge Baird rules that he will issue a summary ruling on Terri's law without a trial. His ruling is withheld until appeals by Governor Bush are ruled upon in the Second District Court of Appeals in Lakeland, Florida.


2004

Jan - 8, Judge Demers denies petition for reinstatement of Guardian ad Litem



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Jeremy Hulsey

 2005/3/26 0:02Profile
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 Re: Where I get my info...

This information is not hidden
Go to [url=www.terrisfight.org]terrisfight.org[/url] for starters (website run by her immediate family)

Did you read the article I linked for you about Judge Greer??

Also you can try [url=www.drudgereport.com]drudgereport[/url]
[url=www.newsmax.com]Newsmax[/url]

Talk radio is also another great source for info...

You have to read from other media sources other than the big boys...

My point is that the Big News organizations are commiting the sin of omission. They are only telling you half the story (Michael Schiavo's half) and even when they tell that side they are painting a very flattering picture of Michael which anyone in the "know" will tell you isn't accurate. How many times have they mentioned that he has been living with another woman for the last 13 years and has fathered 2 other children with her???



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Matt M.

 2005/3/26 0:08Profile
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 Re: JUDGE GREER GETTING PAID BY MICHAEL SHCIAVO'S ATTORNEY'S FIRM!!

AWESOME POST HULSEY!!!

Check this out!!!

Judge Greer takes large donation from Michael Shciavo's attorney's law firm!!!!! [url=http://www.reclaimamerica.org/Pages/News/newspage.asp?story=2549]Judge Greer takes donation from Schiavo's attorney[/url]

Anyone want to bet this never sees the light of day on the major news networks??


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Matt M.

 2005/3/26 0:11Profile
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I may be wrong but the law that deal with this states that the husband should make the decision? If so I think the law should be upheld. If the law is wrong then it should be changed. I mean this whole thing has just become a big circus. The bush brothers jumped in, congress etc in a judical matter. There is a law that addresses this and it should be upheld. many are praying now for God to spare her, or to intervene in a way that would make us feel better but the truth is God will not be swayed by our pleading for this woman, His mind has been made up and His will will be done. If these are Terri's last days then they are and if not she will live untill the appointed time.

I'm curious though, why is it that SSSOOOO much attention is being paid to this story? Are there not more pressing issues?


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Farai Bamu

 2005/3/26 11:04Profile
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I'm curious though, why is it that SSSOOOO much attention is being paid to this story? Are there not more pressing issues?



For a VERY good reason: Terry Schiavo is NOT in a vegetative state. She is severely brain damaged. She is not and has never been on life support--feeding tubes are not considered life support and doctors have testified and believe that with rehabilitation she can be taught to swallow again making the feeding assist uneeded.

This qualifies Terry Schaivo as a handicapped person and in need of special protection from the state. If this is all true, then we're killing someone simply because taking care of her would be too difficult.


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Jeremy Hulsey

 2005/3/26 11:44Profile
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Paul wrote that To die is gain He didn't say "To die peacefully in your sleep is gain" He said death, period, and he wrote this while facing some form of hideous death by torture for all he know. Those Christians in the NT knew what persecution and painful death was all about, yet they did it praising God all the while. Why? Because HOW YOU DIE IS IRRELEVANT!



I tried staying out of this thread because of my own emotions on the topic, but I have to address the scripture and how it is used above. Paul was not speaking of the MANNER of death, he was speaking of the TIMING of death. He would choose to leave EARLY, but because the Lord was not done with him in the flesh, he was staying on the earth to fulfill his commission. Is Terri's commission done? Is one's being able to walk/talk, etc a prerequisite for being used by God? I don't believe so. There are many precious incapacitated children who have done nothing but blessed, encouraged, and strengthened those whose lives they have touched......and God took them when HE was ready........just my two cents and I do know this: The Lord's hand is upon Terri and whatever will come He does allow(Good and Evil)-----for the benefit of all who will become/are His. He also allows wickedness to run rampant to expose it for what it is and so every mouth may be shut without excuse on that great day. In Him, Cindy


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 Re: I'm curious though, why is it that SSSOOOO much attention is being paid to t

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I'm curious though, why is it that SSSOOOO much attention is being paid to this story? Are there not more pressing issues?



Because Terri is NOT terminally ill. She is NOT a vegetable. She is NOT on life support (notice that she's still alive after 8 days?). And because we believe Terri is being murdered, not "allowed to die". Her "husband" has been living in adultery with another woman for over 10 years and has fathered 2 children with her. You should read over Hulsey's post where he lists the timeline of the events. Have you honestly reviewed all of the evidence for this or are you assuming that Judge Greer has done what's in the best interest for Terri? You know the judges in America also approved of slavery and segregation for over 200 years. An argument could be made and is being made that our judges are not longer making decisions that would be in line with God's will.


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Matt M.

 2005/3/26 11:51Profile
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ok I see, my thing though is that there are 3000-5000 (the u.n. said it's genocide-like but not quite genocide, whatever that means)people being butchered in the darfur region of the sudan and I have seen very little about that on t.v., should we be concerned or it doesn't matter coz it's a bunch of crazy arabs killing a lot of africans over there so it's cool? But then again that may not be common knowledge.


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Farai Bamu

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Her "husband" has been living in adultery with another woman for over 10 years and has fathered 2 children with her. You should read over Hulsey's post where he lists the timeline of the events. Have you honestly reviewed all of the evidence for this or are you assuming that Judge Greer has done what's in the best interest for Terri? You know the judges in America also approved of slavery and segregation for over 200 years. An argument could be made and is being made that our judges are not longer making decisions that would be in line with God's will.



ok I didn't look at the tieline in detail and I know that her husband has moved on but by law he is still her husband and according to the law it is his decision to make. If we disagree with the law then we should pressure policymakers to change it. If this had been done at the time terri's husband moved on this would not be going on.

I think that if we are going to be outraged that one woman is dying of starvation because a judge ruled that her feeding tube should be removed, then by God we should be losing it over the thousands who are being butchered daily in the Sudan. Unless of course we don't care because it's over there and they're Africans and Arabs. It seems this is the general feeling in Europe and here in America and I doubt that can be proved wrong.

on a different note, see we're always complaining about how unfair some things are when we could have a hand in how gvt works by voting. We vote so infrequently, perhaps if we voted more we would have a govt that better represents our ideals.


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Farai Bamu

 2005/3/26 13:41Profile
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I think that if we are going to be outraged that one woman is dying of starvation because a judge ruled that her feeding tube should be removed,



It's the first time in American history that a judge has ordered a non-criminal put to death.

10-year kids are being arrested for trying to bring in and give her a cup of water.

If this doesn't break your heart.....


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