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 Be Careful What you Call Divine Judgment by Michael Brown

I absolutely believe that divine judgment is in the earth today, and I reject the teaching that states that from the cross until the Second Coming, God’s wrath will not be poured out on the earth. There is a substantial amount of New Testament evidence that stands against this doctrine.

At the same time, we better be very careful before we start calling specific events “divine judgment.” It is dangerous and unwise to bear false witness about the Lord.

Recently, a caller to my Line of Fire radio broadcast stated that the Boston Marathon bombing was a divine judgment, one of the main causes being the legalizing of same-sex “marriage” in Massachusetts in 2004.

This reminded me of the statement made by one of our most respected, national Christian leaders immediately after the 9/11 tragedy in 2001. He said, “I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America ... I point the finger in their face and say you helped this happen.” (He quickly issued an apology, saying, “I would never blame any human being except the terrorists, and if I left that impression with gays or lesbians or anyone else, I apologize.”)

To be sure, our nation has been sowing to the flesh for decades. As a result, we are reaping destruction on many fronts (Gal. 6:7-8). And I don’t argue with those who believe that God’s hand of blessing has lifted off of us in significant ways. Proverbs 14:34 remains true, whether people believe it or not: “Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.”

It is a painful fact that we have aborted more than 50 million babies (a sin that contains its own judgment on several levels); that we are the world leader in the production and distribution of pornography; that we have birthed and exported a man-centered, carnal prosperity message around the globe; that we have celebrated homosexuality and denigrated freedoms of religion, speech and conscience—and on and on the list goes.

Because of all this (and so much more), I tremble for our nation, knowing that Paul’s words are absolutely true: “On account of these [speaking of various sins of the flesh, all of which are practiced in abundance in our country] the wrath of God is coming” (Col. 3:6, ESV). At the same time, we must be very careful about our prophetic proclamations, lest we be guilty of misrepresenting the Lord before the church and before the world.

Of course, when a powerful hurricane wipes out a massive, highly immoral gay pride event (as happened with Hurricane Katrina and the Southern Decadence event in New Orleans in 2005), it’s easy to pronounce this an act of divine judgment, especially if you were a local street preacher. Who couldn’t recognize a seemingly obvious connection like this?

But was it an act of divine judgment on the 1800+ people who were killed by Katrina, not to mention the tens of thousands that were left homeless?

Yes, I understand that many innocent people perish when judgment falls on a nation. But shall we tell Bill Richard in Boston that his 8-year-old son, Martin, died, that his 6-year-old daughter, Jane, lost her leg (and endured 11 surgeries in the first 23 days after the bombing), that his wife, Denise, suffered brain and eye damage, and that he himself suffered burns, shrapnel injuries and hearing loss because his state redefined marriage in 2004? (I made this point strongly to the very sincere but misguided caller who shared his views about the bombing with my listeners.)

A few years ago, I did a radio survey, asking my listeners, “Does God send hurricanes as divine judgment?”

Based on the Word, I had no problem saying that He might well do so, but that certainly does not mean that we could assume that every destructive act of nature was an act of divine judgment.

One caller wisely asked, “Didn’t Katrina happen in a region that often has hurricanes and during the season when hurricanes commonly occur? So, if God wanted to get our attention, wouldn’t he send a hurricane to an unlikely place at an unlikely time?” (John Piper believes that this is exactly what happened in Minnesota in 2009, when a totally unexpected tornado blew through the city and toppled part of the Lutheran church steeple as the national church leaders were meeting nearby, getting ready to affirm practicing homosexuals for ministry.)

Today, as rescue workers dig through the rubble of an elementary school in the Oklahoma City suburb of Moore, looking for any signs of life, and with overall fatalities surpassing 50, including at least 20 children, who will say that the massive tornado that brought such deadly destruction was a judgment from the Lord? In conservative, God-fearing Oklahoma? In the buckle of the Bible belt? With little children as some of the main victims?

To be sure, I do not doubt that God’s wrath is coming to the earth, and I do not doubt that His judgment is already in our land. I am simply calling for wisdom and caution, especially when terrible devastation strikes the heartland of America rather than the casinos of Las Vegas.

At times like this, we do well to pray rather than prognosticate, crying out to the Father of mercy to bring healing to these gaping wounds, with each of us serving as agents of compassion in any way that we can.

From Charisma Magazine: http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/prophetic-insight/17799-be-careful-what-you-call-divine-judgment


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 Re: Be Careful What you Call Divine Judgment by Michael Brown

Spon on. This is very important for us to keep in mind at these times. Michael Brown brings vital balance within this article on this important topic.

 2013/5/21 11:26Profile
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Luke 13:1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
Luke 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luke 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

I love how Jesus always brings it home to YOU!!

Men love to talk about everyone else, but Jesus says, UNLESS YE REPENT, YE SHALL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH.

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 Re: Be Careful What you Call Divine Judgment by Michael Brown

That magazine is coming out with some very fine articles of late.

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Indeed does not Mark 4:35-41 teach that the Son of God himself say to a furious squall "Quie! Be stll!". He asked the desciples. "Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?". Perhaps I misinterpret the text. But is not Jesus saying to the disciples. You could have rebuked this storm.

Jesus tells us in John 14:12-14 that anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. Be will do even greater things than these because I go to the Father. The Son goes on to say that we may ask him for anything and he will do it. He willl do it to bring glory
to the Father. He says ask for anything in his name and he will do it.

As I type this a line of thunderstorms is approaching Little Rock. These storms have potential tornadoes. I am moderating a seminar and unable to leave. So believing Jesus I have said to the storms. In the name of Jesus! Quiet! Be still! Will let you know what happens as storms are do in an hour.

To God be the glory.

Bearmaster.

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1500. Since last post round of storms came through Little Rock. Mostly rain. Praise God!!!!..No hail or tornadoes. Getting ready to take authority over next round.

Truly there power in the name of Jesus.

Bearmaster.

 2013/5/21 16:12
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 Re: Be Careful What you Call Divine Judgment by Michael Brown

It seems that every time there is a disaster this discussion comes up with people who are sounding the alarm to not be judgmental about why God allowed this terrible event to occur - always citing Jesus words of rebuke to the people about why a tower fell but ignoring scripture that does lend credibility to God using natural calamities to warn people. (For example, read Revelation, Isaiah.)

We live in tornado ally in MS. We experience bad tornadoes every couple years in our county. Not much media attention comes our way because the number of fatalities is small (do not recall any in years). We are very rural with 12000 people in our county, lessening the probability of human fatalities. But there is a lot of property damage and stories of human survivals under these circumstances. We also experience hurricanes, droughts...I say this to help you understand where I am coming from.

Always, always - when people come through this, their mind goes to God. Even those of us who do not experience a direct hit but do witness it, our mind goes to God. People who will minimize this fact that God uses storms to get people's attention do NOT help people at all!

These storms will have a a two-fold effect: it will either draw people closer to God or it will embitter them, making them angry at God. To deny God's role in this is to deny scripture (Zechariah 10:1: Ask rain from the LORD at the time of the spring rain—The LORD who makes the storm clouds;
And He will give them showers of rain, vegetation in the field to each man.) We must always be sensitive to what God is doing and not minimize his power in using weather to get people's attention.

It may be of interest to people to know that OKC kicked off a Gay Pride Week beginning on May 17, 2013 with other events following...have no idea whether this storm impacted these planned events or not.


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Thought of something else...

God using calamities to get people's attention....we like to think that if this storm/hurricane/earthquake or any other calamity is from God one will see widespread revival. But I am not so sure this is the case. (Read Revelation - "and people did not repent...") But I am sure that at least one person will be impacted positively. How do I know? Consider...

Jesus was on the other side of the lake of Galilee when he met a man who lived in the tombs naked, was crazy...people were scared of him because he was not in his right mind. Jesus healed him and as a result the demons asked whether they could go into the swine grazing nearby. Jesus gave them permission to do so and they all ran over the cliff nearby and drowned.

What would you think if you had lived there and seen it or heard these reports??? Dismissed Jesus' probable role in it? Many moderns would have. In any case, the locals were not happy with this loss of animals, but never mind the redeeming of this demon-possessed man. They thought more highly of their hogs then they did of this human. Interesting swap - death of hogs for healed crazy man. The financial loss was quite substantial, I would guess, but Jesus had no regard for it - the value of this man surpassed the value of these swine. Oh, BTW, people would blame God rather then the devil who worked to destroy. They were right, but Jesus did not initiate this destruction of hogs....

In any case, there may be only one person who will be impacted eternally by this great loss of property and life. If this is the case, it would be worth it. If you would be that person, you would be ever so grateful. But if you were the owner of the hogs you might well be angry.


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