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Discussion Forum : News and Current Events : Second Child of 'Faith Healing' Parents Dies

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proudpapa
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 Second Child of 'Faith Healing' Parents Dies

By MICHAEL RUBINKAM and MARYCLAIRE DALE Associated Press

PHILADELPHIA April 23, 2013 (AP)

A couple serving probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor could face new charges now that another son has died.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith healing. They lost their 8-month-old son, Brandon, last week after he suffered from diarrhea and breathing problems for at least a week, and stopped eating. Four years ago, another son died from bacterial pneumonia.

Prosecutors said Tuesday that a decision on charges will be made after they get the results of an autopsy.

Catherine Schaible's attorney, Mythri Jayaraman, cautioned against a rush to judgment, and said the couple are good parents deeply distraught over the loss of another child.

"There are way more questions than answers at this point. We haven't seen the autopsy report. We don't know the cause of death of this child," Jayaraman told The Associated Press. "What we do know is Mr. and Mrs. Schaible are distraught, they are grieving, they are tremendously sad about the loss of their most recent baby."

A man who answered the phone at a listing for Herbert Schaible declined to comment and hung up.

A jury convicted the Schaibles of involuntary manslaughter in the January 2009 death of their 2-year-old son, Kent. The boy's symptoms had included coughing, congestion, crankiness and a loss of appetite. His parents said he was eating and drinking until the last day, and they had thought he was getting better.

A Case of Murder or Faith Healing?

The Schaibles were sentenced to 10 years' probation.

At a hearing Monday, a judge told the couple they had violated the terms of their probation, noting the Schaibles had told investigators that they prayed to God to make Brandon well instead of seeking medical attention.

"You did that once, and the consequences were tragic," Philadelphia Common Pleas Judge Benjamin Lerner said, according to the Philadelphia Daily News.

Prosecutors on Monday sought to have the couple jailed, but Lerner permitted them to remain free because their seven other children had been placed in foster care.

"He feels they are a danger to their children — not to the community, but to their own children," Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore, who prosecuted the couple in 2010, said Tuesday.

Herbert Schaible, 44, and his 43-year-old wife grew up in the First Century Gospel Church in northeast Philadelphia and have served as teachers there. The church's website has a sermon titled "Healing — From God or Medicine?" that quotes Bible verses purportedly forbidding Christians from visiting doctors or taking medicine.

"It is a definite sin to trust in medical help and pills; and it is real faith to trust on the Name of Jesus for healing," says the message, from last May.

A phone message left with the church on Tuesday was not immediately returned.

The church's pastor said in 2010 that the couple had never received medical care themselves beyond the help of a lay midwife who attends home births.

The Schaibles did take their children for medical checkups as required by their probation, according to Jayaraman, the defense attorney. Jayaraman said that Brandon was checked by a doctor when he was 10 days old, but she did not know whether the child had seen a doctor since.

"Nobody argues that these aren't very loving, nurturing parents," she said Tuesday. "Whether their religion had anything to do with the death of their baby, we don't know."

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Rubinkam reported from northeast Pennsylvania.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2nd-child-pa-couple-dies-praying-19020607


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 2013/4/25 9:11Profile
DEADn
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 Re: Second Child of 'Faith Healing' Parents Dies

This story has been making waves in some other forums I frequent. It leaves one scratching their heads because on one hand it appears to make God look as if He is silent. On the other hand we have a Fundamentalist family who seem to be as the word of faith crowd in refusing medical treatment because God will heal.

At what point does something such as this become dilusional for Christians?
I know preachers have preached from the pulpit 'By His Stripes we are Healed' at this used to be a big verse thundered from the pulpit but yet it doesn't happen as some preacher preach it.

No doubt this story will cause many who don't believe in God or in religion to strengthen their own personal stance on what they believe. Yet it causes Christians to use excuses for me. i.e. one person said 'if these people were true Christians....'. What is that supposed to mean? It sounds like a judgment while trying to repair a wound to show that God is still there but for whatever reason didn't heal their kid. I find it to be an immature response and yet how does a mature Christian respond to such a thing?

I really wonder what the Christian communities response to this is because no doubt we are going to see more people fall away from their faith as a result of what they read in this story. I struggle within my own being alot but not because of this story.


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 2013/4/25 9:36Profile
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 Re: Second Child of 'Faith Healing' Parents Dies

How tragically sad, really tragic.

If these are sincere believers, who are willing to put there faith into action and 'sacrifice' their children for their belief, they are better than I am.

Not sure I would go that far in standing for what I believe especially when its not an issue of salvation.

Got me thinking about the first century believers whose children were mauled by wild animals because they didn't want to deny the faith. Thats really a deep revelation of his love to keep them satnding.



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 2013/4/25 10:22Profile
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Your faith should be a "part" of your healing, along with doctors, and medicine and etc. "Matthew 9:12" On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.


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 2013/4/25 10:53Profile
DEADn
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The question also arises, can we call this people Christians and just misguided? Or do we see them as misguided altogether?

At what point should a Christian believe God is going to heal? Meaning, how does faith work in this process v. leaving it in the hands of a doctor to work for a fix?


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 2013/4/25 17:38Profile
proudpapa
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Hi MrBillPro,

MrBillPro wrote ////Your faith should be a "part" of your healing, along with doctors, and medicine and etc. "Matthew 9:12" On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.////

That is streching Matthew 9:12 out of its context.


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 2013/4/25 23:37Profile
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Hi DEADn

DEADn wrote ////The question also arises, can we call this people Christians and just misguided? Or do we see them as misguided altogether?////

Is their anything that you found from the artical that would suggest that these people are not Christians?

Whom is to say that they are misguided ?

Their first son died of bacterial pneumonia. pneumonia is the leading cause of death for this age group.

Whom can say that if they had done as King Asa and trusted in the physicians that thier children would have lived ?

Many Whom have trusted in the Physicians have also lost their children.




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 2013/4/26 0:00Profile
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Hi ZekeO

ZekeO wrote ////How tragically sad, really tragic.

If these are sincere believers, who are willing to put there faith into action and 'sacrifice' their children for their belief, they are better than I am.

Not sure I would go that far in standing for what I believe especially when its not an issue of salvation.////

This is a difficult issue, one that I struggle with, At this point in my walk, I would have done as everyone else and taken my children to the doctor, but I do not at all condemn these parents.
I do not feel that any Christian should condemn them.




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 2013/4/26 0:17Profile
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proudpapa...That is stretching Matthew 9:12 out of its context.



Well i just read the bible at face value, i am not a teacher of the word, so Jesus said the sick are the ones that need a doctor, that's how i read it and that's my opinion. If you have any doubt, talk to Jesus and get back and tell us what he really meant.


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 2013/4/26 1:11Profile
proudpapa
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RE////Well i just read the bible at face value, i am not a teacher of the word, so Jesus said the sick are the ones that need a doctor, that's how i read it and that's my opinion. If you have any doubt, talk to Jesus and get back and tell us what he really meant.////

He is using an analogy, that is more than evident by the passage.

When Paul says "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith" We do not read it at face value and say that Paul was indorsing physical fighting, nor was Paul revealing himself as a Sports Enthusiast (even though some sports enthusiast will try to argue the such from the passage) In both cases the analogy being used is not an endorsement of the subject matter choosen, to imply the such is to do gymnastics with the scripture.




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