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 Andrew Strom's Battle Plan

This is from the ANZAC Prophetic List

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"The BATTLE PLAN"
-by Andrew Strom.

We know from God's dealings with men down the ages that there
is a time to 'wait' and a time to GO. There is a time to sit still
before the Lord and a time for MOBILISATION. Many of us have
been sensing a "change of seasons" for some time. We are
entering a battle-zone for the hearts and minds of the church and
the world. Our footsteps hasten to the sound of war.

I think we know each other well enough by now to speak
plainly and honestly about the days that lie ahead. I have been
running this List for years and I am well aware of the kinds of
people who are on here. Many are the kind that I have the most
affinity with in the world. -The kind who cry and anguish over the
state of today's church, and who find it almost unbearable trying
to fit in with today's "Christianity as usual". The kind who believe
in a different type of Body than any they have ever seen - but who
know not where to find it. -The kind who wander like strangers and
pilgrims in the earth, waiting, waiting, waiting for the 'Real thing'
to be birthed. -The kind who pray with groanings and tears for the
Bride to AWAKEN and put on strength, that the world may
KNOW the glory of God.

We have many 'cave-dwellers' and wilderness-dwellers on this
List. We have many "underground prophets". We have many
people who go to church - and even lead in the church - and
yet their heart is always yearning for the missing glory - a glory
they have never yet seen.

So are we in the hour of mobilisation? Are we in the days of
the "Gideon's 300" and of David's 'mighty men' fighting out
of the cave of Adullam? Is this indeed the hour for war?

Before the 'John the Baptist' Conference my answer probably
would have been "no". But after what I saw and sensed over the
weekend I have to tell you that my answer has become "yes".
"Behold, I will do a NEW THING; Now it shall SPRING FORTH.
Shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the WILDERNESS,
and RIVERS IN THE DESERT" (Isaiah 43:19).

After much prayer and pondering, I believe that our response to
this should be two-fold. And it should be very simple:
(1) We need to connect with each other regionally so that we
can pray and fellowship and RAISE OUR VOICE AS ONE in all
parts of this nation.
(2) It is the 'WORD' that will do the work, and all we have to
do is get that word heard LOUDLY - first by the church and then
by the world. Everything else will follow. (What do I mean by the
'word'? -Further explanation is below):

When I was at the Conference, God led me to lay out FOUR
BASIC ESSENTIALS that we need to stand for:

We stand for:
(1) Repentance
(2) The WHOLE Gospel
(3) A return to "BOOK-OF-ACTS" type Christianity
(4) We will gladly GIVE OUR LIVES for these things.

-This is what the 'word' is all about. It is primarily a word of
REPENTANCE and RESTORATION aimed at the church. These
are the four things that we need to agree on before we can move
forward. At the Conference, everyone was almost unanimous in
agreeing to these four things.

So am I talking about a "MOVEMENT" here? Yes I am. You
need to know, and be in no doubt at all, that what I am talking
about in this email is a nationwide MOVEMENT. You can call
it whatever you like. The 'John the Baptist' movement? -Whatever.
None of that really matters. What matters is that it is all about
getting the 'WORD' to the church and letting that word bring
real transformation and change.

We are not talking about starting a 'denomination' or a church. We
are not talking about some new "system". We are talking about
(1) Simply bringing like-minded people together, and (2) Bringing
the WORD to the CHURCH. (-Largely a word of REPENTANCE).

So what do we do in practical terms?

(1) As I said, I need to find a way of connecting the people on this
List who live in the same region. (-Obviously only those who want
to participate will be put in touch with each other). I am working on
this, and I will let you know.

(2) We need to have groups formed in the cities of America and
we need to hold a "JOHN THE BAPTIST" CONFERENCE in
these places. What this does is gather many of the like-minded
people from that region, thus enabling us all to connect. There
is no unity or strength in being completely 'scattered' everywhere
like we are now. That is not God's idea of "Body". Too many of
us are alone and vulnerable and "unconnected". The Conferences
are one-off events, but the groups that are formed will continue
to meet and pray together, and to represent this 'word' in their city.

(3) These groups must never meet on Sunday morning. They
are not a "church". But they certainly are a gathering-place.
I believe many of these meetings will be PRAYER-oriented with
'open-mic' sharing times, etc. -Truly open for the Holy Spirit to
move. We will need godly co-ordinators in each place to help
run these meetings, and also to set up the Conferences.

What is a "Conference"? It is simply a gathering of people
for ministry and preaching. Nothing more than that. Remember,
it is the local people who will be continuing this whole thing
after the Conference is over. They are the ones who will be
RAISING THEIR VOICE in their area. The Conference is just a
simple way of getting everything jump-started. (-Maybe once a year?)

The end result will be regional 'John-the-Baptist' type fellowships
all over the nation. -All preaching and impacting the CHURCH
where they are.

I have already spoken to James Smith and David Kirkwood
about all this. Both of these men carry a message that I believe
is essential to such a movement in this hour. David carries a
word on the Poor and our use of Money that is just pivotal and
urgent in the West right now, and James carries a word on
'Revolution' in the church. My own specialist area is probably
the "WHOLE GOSPEL" - teaching people how to walk in
"Romans 8" Christianity - how to truly experience 'FULL
SALVATION'. -You would be surprised at the impact of a
message like that, even at this Conference. -So that is my
main contribution.

As I said, some of the preaching at this recent Conference was
at a different level from anything I have been involved with before.
And I guess it has to be, if we are going to see anything like a
real 'breakthrough' in this nation.

All three of us have agreed to hold further "John-the-Baptist"
Conferences around America - to see these regional fellowships
raised up all over.

Friends, the above is a simple outline of the only Battle Plan
that I feel God has given me. It is not complicated. But it does
serve to GATHER THE PEOPLE and to GET THE WORD OUT.
And that is all I believe it is meant to do.

Please take this to God in prayer and see if He would have you
become a part of it. Personally I am suddenly very excited about
what God wants to do this year. It feels like the right time to me.
And so many at the Conference were saying the same. (-Which
caught me by surprise).

This has to be a year when a "clear trumpet sound" goes forth.
The church must be called to Repentance. The days are short.
So are we truly willing to 'set the trumpet to our mouth'?

Obviously there will be further talk about all this over the next few
weeks. Please keep the whole thing bathed in prayer, my friends?

God bless you all.

Kindest regards in Christ,

Andrew Strom.

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 2005/3/11 6:04
RobertW
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 Re: Andrew Strom's Battle Plan

Andrew is a friend of mine and I have ministered alongside both him and James Smith a few times this year. They have a heart for revival and repentance. We are very different people and see things a bit differently, but the commonality of the message and the Spirit of God is prevalent. I am a 'church' guy and thay are more of the 'out-of-church' or 'house church' type. Actually that is a misnomer as I minister in almost all venues. I just have a greater sympathy for churches than many. That makes me the odd man out as I am not as quick to blanketly criticize churches as I know there are some sorely dedicated Christians in the Church. Therfore the great challenge will be to seek God and allow HIM to speak through us and not we speak in the flesh. If I am not an Oracle what am I?


1) My first thoughts for any of this [edit]repentance movement is that there has to be some balance as God is working in the lives of the people and great caution against misrepresenting God.

2) I have seen things in the last several months on this site that has caused me to almost forsake the repentance message all together. It is almost a Jonah and Nineveh thing. A lot of people are near to ruining a good message with their radical and unacceptable views.

3) As a repentance preacher myself I know that one must speak on behalf of God and not on behalf of myself. Not what I think needs to be done- but "What saith God?"

4) If the folk who preach repentance do not have a fresh word with clear direction from God they need to sit down. People need to know what God wants them to do. We don't need people venting their anger at the church from behind the pulpit. I have seen all that I can take. It does not edify anyone.

5) If you cannot connect with the folk you are ministering to and love them as God would- you will present a God of anger and hate to a people that often need God's love. Love will make you zealous for God- but the wisdom of God is first pure, peacable, gentle, easy to be intreated, full of good fruits, without partiality and hypocricy. The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of those who are making peace. No love= no ministry.

6) Christ walks in the midst of the candlesticks and this is His Church. Whoever ministers to the Body had best have the mind of Christ. Getting in the flesh will cost dearly those who forsake this truth.

7) We will know God has sent revival when folks are walking in the Spirit. When folk get about the Master's business we will know God is moving. Revival will not be when everyone is mad at the Church- it will be when everyone sets out to do their part to see the Church all it is meant to be.


My initial thoughts...


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 2005/3/11 9:45Profile
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 Re:


i got this too ... i'm on the list ... This is the part that stuck out for me ...

Quote:
"We have many 'cave-dwellers' and wilderness-dwellers on this List. We have many "underground prophets". We have many
people who go to church - and even lead in the church - and yet their heart is always yearning for the missing glory - a glory they have never yet seen".

So i'm praying about this, because #1 i'll have to hear from God that this is something He wants me to be a part of, #2 i don't want to jump into a group and cause more harm that good, as we've got enough harm already ...

Now while i empathize with those mentioned in the quote above, i'm an above ground prophet, and tend to agree with brother Robert in that i firmly believe God ain't abandoning the so called organized church for if He was i wouldn't be assigned to the one i belong to ... i in fact believe, and have delivered messages to my pastor over the past 20 years as to the "word" Holy Spirit has given me toward the direction He wants and plans to take this church He's assigned me to ... Last year He told me to cease, for His "word" has gone unheeded, and said to me in essence that He would personally handle it from there ... So in my spirit i sense that His change to this organized church is coming very soon, and when that takes off i will have my hands full ...


What do you think about it?


PS - i do like the fact that brother Strom stated that this in no way is to pre-suppose Sunday morning services ... i find that in decency, and in order ...

 2005/3/11 10:44Profile









 Robert

that was a good word! sound counsel for all of us.

May God bless you sir.

 2005/3/11 11:57
RobertW
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 Re:

Quote:
PS - i do like the fact that brother Strom stated that this in no way is to pre-suppose Sunday morning services ... i find that in decency, and in order ...



Andrew is always careful not to do that in all the meetings he sets up. James also has followed this in the revival meetings that have been held throughout the midwest. As a matter of fact, one meeting was held with most of the ministers in the town in agreement. It was across denominational boundaries. We stayed in a Lutheran ministers cabin on the river for the weekend and was also supported to a greater or lesser degree by the other pastors. The Baptist pastor called the Lutheran to get our stay arranged. It was pretty neat how God worked it out.

God really moved at these times. One of the men in the meeting came under such conviction that he had to leave his house and rent a hotel room for the night to seek the Lord he was struck under conviction and sorrow for sin. It was a very powerful word from the Lord. The man was still in a weeping state at 9:00AM the following morning and came and attended the John Baptist conference.

God Bless,

-Robert


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 2005/3/11 12:18Profile
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Crossing denominational lines! ... men of God weeping under conviction! ... Now that puts a smile on the face of this old crumudgeon for Christ ... '0)

Brother Robert i do believe i smell rain, do you?

 2005/3/11 13:11Profile
RobertW
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 Re:

Hi Bro. Rahman,

Quote:
Brother Robert i do believe i smell rain, do you?



Brother hear my heart here; I have seen God work some serious works in lives when the real message of repentance comes forth. I have then sat and felt the Holy Ghost grieved when others would come along and slam the church and make snide remarks that grieve the Spirit. The repentance preachers are going to have to filter themselves out of God's messages and deliver a PURE word. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. I can be listening to a minister and feel the unction behind the words- all the sudden they jump the rails and get in the flesh (as we say in MO) and it all but ruins what God is doing- not to mention the FAVOR that God is giving to the person to deliver the message.

A lot of doors to the repentance message have been shut simply because the filter has not been in place and people sense a hostility that is no good to anyone. It will be hard enough to get the message into Churches- without any baggage. One common question preachers are going to ask before they allow a John Baptist type preacher into their pulpit is, Are they against the Church? Only the repentance preacher can answer that.

I have preached some strong repentance messages in the last 16 months and I will tell you that you have to be very very sensitive to the Holy Ghost. the Devil wants you to throw out a statement to the people that will shut the rest of God's message down. DON"T YIELD TO IT! stay the course. Settle your emotions and bitterness. Don't offer strange fire before the Lord. Preach with all the authority that God will give. Say what He says say- no more and no less.

I do smell rain my brother- but I fear that this whole movement will be tarred and feathered by anger and hostility that will throw everything off the tracks. Better is a man that can keep his spirit than a man that can take a city. If we are going to take any cities for God we must keep our spirit.

God Bless,

-Robert


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 2005/3/11 13:44Profile
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 How thin the blade is.

Quote:

RobertW wrote:
The Devil wants you to throw out a statement to the people that will shut the rest of God's message down. DON"T YIELD TO IT! stay the course. Settle your emotions and bitterness.

The other thread of what is biblical love ties in very closely to this. I find that the knife edge of preaching repentance with a heart full of love and one of a heart filled with anger and bitterness is quiet ironic. That in a split second we can step out from speaking his inspired word into self.

I just think that we who have a natural tendency to confront and be a prophetic voice must really be sensitive to Him. I have in my own life seen how true the words are that when I am weak then I am strong. More frightening though is the converse of that when I am strong, then I'm weak. In my walk with the Lord I have just sensed that if my natural bent is to be a trumpet then I am missing other parts of Christs nature in my life.


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 2005/3/11 14:51Profile
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 Re: Andrew Strom's Battle Plan


Brother Robert,

i praise God that He has a man like you in the midst of such a movement, and i pray that He will use you mightily, and most importantly effectively against their flesh based, angry manifestations ... But in accordance to all that you said brother Robert is why i'm not prone, nor have i been led by Holy Spirit in the past to join any said organized prophetic group ... Organization is organization, and along with that creeps in certain rules, regulations and mindsets ... i certainly don't like a lot that i see going on in the so called organized Church but i also know that Christ, as Jehovah with His Bride of Israel, will never give up on any member of His Bride ... We may give up on Him, but He straight up told us that He'd never leave us or forsake us ... Besides the fact that i know i'm sent by God to serve the pastor, and the Church i attend in the capacity that God has sent me there ... For if i wasn't there, and wasn't radical enough in my faith to say to him what i believe Holy Spirit instructed me to say as to the changes He wants to see there, in him, and his ministerial staff, when our Lord personally brings His sweeping hand of change thru, he'll not only not be able to say that he wasn't warned, but he'll also unmistakably realize that it was in fact our Lord speaking thru me, His servant, all that will then be coming to pass ... Our Lord has had me at this same church, delivering His "word" to this same pastor for some 20 years now, and i'd be lying if i didn't say that there was a time when i was angry at my pastors obvious dismissal of my delivered "thus saith the Lord" ... But over a period of time Holy Spirit got me way over that in that He made me to realize i'm just a "spokesman", and if any don't hear the message of repentance He has me spouting, i'm not being rejected, He is ... That's where i think a lot of we prophet types lose it, we forget that it's all about Him, and we take things personal ...

I now pray much for my pastor because #1 - last year Holy Spirit told me to desist and that He would now take care of it Himself ... And #2 - The last message i delivered my pastor ignored it till the end of the year, and then formulated something out of the instruction that was a desperate altered truncated version of my delivered "word", and it's completely confused the congregation ... Did i run around the congregation offering explanation? ... Not on my life, for God didn't tell me to do that! ... Am i mad at him? ... No, far to the contrary, i'm afraid for him, for it reminded me of Saul ... i've learned over the last 10 of my 26 years of salvation that our God has His own ways, methods and time frame for doing things, and that if He decides to pick us up and utilize us toward His plan, we need to do just as you suggest, move in His instruction, and His instruction only, and when He tells us to desist just shut up ... But the greatest thing that i'm learning is His endless love and compassion, tho He may have to trot us out to the woodshed every once in a while, He always reminds us from scripture that He's doing so because He loves us, then afterwards hugs us, and bids us "go and sin no more" ... i pray that if the John the Baptist Movement can call out sin in love then God's power to it, but if it's gonna drive an even bigger wedge may it fizzle out and die in it's tracts now ... The power of conviction can only be weilded by Holy Spirit ... That's the gist of REVIVAL ... Oh how i long to hear that sound from heaven as a rushing mighty wind ... All the unholy hordes of hell can't convince me that i wont, and that i won't hear Him at my "organized" church soon ... He told me he would, i believe Him, and that settles it for me ... Amen

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 He's Worthy! ...



Man, i just got all filled up thinking how wondrous it is to be the child of the King! ... Thank you Lord Jesus!

 2005/3/11 15:30Profile





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