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sonofthunder
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 Manifesting a contrary and counter spirit

People mistakenly think there clean because they have no fleshly vices in there life. (Hmmm) yet paul says in corinthians you cant be HOLY until you also CLEANSE yourself of all FILTHINESS of the SPIRIT:

People (christians) have an i am clean list they repeat to themselves.

I dont do this ... i dont do that ... im not like ...other compromisers.

The pharisee in the Temple said in essence " Thank God im Not like other men - - - yea even like this profligate publican.

Then he went down his reassuring self righteous catalogue of goodness

Oh God - i dont look at women, i dont do drugs, i dont do alcohol, i dont do tabacco, i dont watch harry potter movies ( smile ) I dont buy lotto or instant scratch its ( instant wins) smile***

Then came his "to do list "

Oh God - I fast regurlarly, I never miss a prayer Meet, let alone church, when the offering plate comes round the guy on my left and the woman on my right can testify i always reach for my wallet and out comes the fifty dollar note. (OF course the left hand never knows what the righthand is doing ) **smile**

People mistakenly measure themselves - by themselves.

You say whats wrong with that?

The pharisee in the temple remember " Im not like others"

People think there clean ...based on ...not indulging the world or flesh.

All the while living in: contrary spirit, combative attitudes,variance, confrontationalism, argumentative spirit, contentiousness, debate, strife.

But im clean as i dont have any avarices of the flesh.

True: but what about the heart? Though life? Attitudes?

And the filth of the Spirit???

Mmm.

And not to mention some people ALWAYS agree to DISAGREE:

ONE OF THE WORKSVOF THE FLESH IS - - - VARIANCE

Its basically being at odds with people. Always seeing two sides to EVERYTHING others say. Always being a nit-picker,a fault finder, being arkward and difficul to get along with (beingv contrary)

Picking spiritual fights as it were with people. Ecet.


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Bro Stephen

 2013/2/11 9:19Profile
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 Re: Manifesting a contrary and counter spirit

Isn't this where the 10 Commandments come into play? They remind of of sin? Even Ray Comfort uses the Commandments in his own witness because many people see sins as extra biblical commandments like smoking and drugs so when a person doesn't do what is considered bad they don't think they are bad.

The only Commandment that some don't say much about is the Sabbath. Seems like a sore topic with some people.


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 2013/2/11 11:28Profile
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God made the sabbath for man.

And NOt man ... for the sabbath.

Therefore understanding the INTENT of the sabbath is imperative.

For which of you owning a car and driving to chuch on sunday (opps)

Saturday sorry to 7th day there. But which of you owning a car and driving to church on saturday - - and on the way -- getting a flat tyre.

Will he not get out and change the tyre ...on the sabbath day ??

Now stretch forth thine hand ...and jesus healed him ...on the sabbath.

Yet 6 days thou shalt work and heal the sick...but Not on the sabbath.

Hmmm.


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Bro Stephen

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I am glad for that one day of rest God set aside for man after he created the world. A time when one can kick back and rest. My body needs this time of refreshment.

Is it not odd that people who will fight this principle are among the first ones to promote vacations? Why not do it by degrees, like one day a week? This is one God ordained....it was not law, but included in the creation, like marriage.


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 2013/3/4 6:43Profile
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jesus was merely responding to critics who (wrongly) and bypocritically i might add ..accused him off breaking the sabbath.

And he gave an illusfration similiar to my car driving one.

For which of you owning a horse or mule and it fall into the ditch on the sabbath day...will he not...do everything in his power to raise the horse out of the ditch? on the sabbath.

therefore it is lawful to heal on the sabbath day.

the sabbath was made for man

and not

man for the sabbath.

when he healed the withered hand

his accusers were livid (filthy with him)

understanding the principle of the sabbath is the key. I feel

not harsh letter of the law imposing rules.

sacrifice and burnt offerings God had no pleasure in

but a greater law?

to do justice and to shew mercy.

but go thou and learn what this meaneth:


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ONE OF THE WORKSVOF THE FLESH IS - - - VARIANCE

Its basically being at odds with people. Always seeing two sides to EVERYTHING others say. Always being a nit-picker,a fault finder, being arkward and difficul to get along with (beingv contrary)



It might be wise to heed this counsel to ourselves so we can participate with others here in the body to encourage, strengthen and uplift others. Also an important way to stop variance is to be more agreeable and to agree with brothers and sisters that we differ with. How many posts do we do on SI that are meant for debate and how many are meant to simply encourage or serve others in the body. Are we teachable and desire to learn or are we always assuming the role to teacher to others here. These are good questions to ask ourselves. If we are talking in short preaching statements to others are we really being of the mind of Christ to serve others and be humble to accept that we do not know all things.

May we simply be servants (1 cor 3:5) and serve oneanother in love. Brethren are on the site from all different denominational backgrounds but we can agree in Jesus Christ and seek the unity of the faith in truth.

The community Guidelines we pray serves as a unifying tool for our attitudes towards each other: http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=44556&forum=13


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 Re: Manifesting a contrary and counter spirit

The problem with Pharisees as Jesus rightly pointed out is that they were happy with external holiness. They had a certain standard of living and they were happy with it. Also in the pharisees and republican example that is noted here, the Pharisee compared himself with the republican. That is the greatest mistake he has done. In New Covenant life we are not here to compare ourself with anyother person. Our only focus should be with Jesus. I need to compare my standards with him alone. Have I attained christlikeness? If the answer is no then any other standard that I have attained is of no value.

Judgment begins from the household of God. But how do I judge myself? By looking into Jesus who is author and perfecter of my faith and not looking into other brothers.

The fundamental work of the Holy Spirit is to bring conviction into us about our Sins. But if we are soulish Christian then we cannot hear this conviction. Instead we will have a picture of Christian in our life and we will live a standard according to that picture. It is a danger of being soulish Christian because we hamper the work of God's spirit in our life.


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 Re: Manifesting a contrary and counter spirit

They say today ...the devil is in ...the detail.

Correction.

God is in the detail.

How few stop to look at (all) of the works of the (Flesh)

listed in Gslations five.

and it is there we find: variance.

as the two previous posters alluded.

we look at ourselves and we think ... were all fine.

but when we look into the mirror of gods word ( its woe is me)

once we start comparing our holiness to others ..and say i dont watch t.v

or look at pornography or read harry potter, or indulge in jesting

Therefore i must be holy ...and right with God.

My God though ( arent we just as the pharisee in the temple)???

Interestingly the pharisse's also despised and looked down on sinners.

But Jesus however came and died to save sinners.

thats one of the biggest deceptions around ( im holy based on ) everything what i don't do in the world ( what about the inner part ) though?

hmmm.


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It might be wise to heed this counsel to ourselves so we can participate with others here in the body to encourage, strengthen and uplift others. Also an important way to stop variance is to be more agreeable and to agree with brothers and sisters that we differ with.


I have made it a practice to avoid variances over the non-essentials of Christianity, and this has reserved strength in my inner man to fight Satan - power which would not had been there had it been used to battle the trivialities and opinions of flesh and blood.

Christians will always be divided on the non-essentials; some are even divided on what constitutes an essential from a non-essential. Then there are those who always feel a need to correct and shine their flashlight in the faces of others. Have you ever noticed that this is what children do? A mature man or woman uses their lamp for the safety of themselves and others and to help with navigation, but a child will use a flashlight frivolously. The Lord has given us all a measure of light. How we use the light we presently have will be the determining measure on how much more He allows us to acquire.

A person who is using their light to judge themselves in the mirror of God's Word will make no effort to detect the stains on the faces of others. A wise person avoids all conversations where variance is at work. If you are walking in the Holy Spirit, He will indicate when you are entering into this territory. You then have the choice to listen to His instruction and vacate the premises, or to keep on trying to convince everyone you are right and they are wrong.

If you chose the latter, you automatically lose everything even if you win the argument. Personally, I would rather concede a discussion with man than lose the opportunity to gain more light with God. It can be very tempting to take religious hypocrites to task, or to defend oneself when our opinions are challenged, but we must refrain from doing so if we ourselves would grow in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord.


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