In one of the biggest joint letters of its type ever written, they raise fears that their freedom to practise and speak about their faith will be severely limited and dismiss Government reassurances as "meaningless".They even liken David Camerons moves to redefine marriage to those of Henry VIII, whose efforts to secure a divorce from Katherine of Aragon triggered centuries of bloody upheaval between church and state.They claim that, taken in combination with equalities laws and other legal restraints, the Coalition's plans will prevent Catholics and other Christians who work in schools, charities and other public bodies speaking freely about their beliefs on the meaning of marriage. ...read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9795680/Gay-marriage-could-signal-return-to-centuries-of-persecution-say-1000-Catholic-priests.html
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Our pastor spoke Sunday from Revelation and the church in Smyrna and the persecution they endured. The scripture is clear that we will be hated because of Christ. We obviously haven't been hated for Him here in America. I was thinking yesterday that this was coming to and end pretty quickly. I think this post is one important reason why persecution will come.Soon, not only will we have building fund drives, we'll also have bail fund drives. It might give a whole new meaning to jail ministry and make it a lot easier. Don't know why I find that funny, but alas, I do. If we are to be sure and true to the Word of God we will necessarily offend people. When that offense runs contrary to law we will be jailed. What's interesting is that most will view us as the bad guys. We will be the ones breaking the law.
One thing that concerns me when it comes to homosexuals and homosexual marriage is the power of God. How often do you ever homosexuals being interviewed about their life and when they knew they were gay? Some even grew up in the church and say they gave their heart to God but then this happened and they didn't get deliverance. Even today, I heard an interview with Jean or Gene Robinson in which he said he said a sinners prayer and was baptized at age 12 in Kentucky but now he is homosexual. He said he prayed an prayed for it to go away and even got married to push it away and he could not. In light of the 'diversity' effect in American and the PC voices what I am finding is the power of God has become void. To no effect. It seems as if it doesn't exist and therefore many are leaving the churches. Many are seeking deliverance and somehow not finding it. I am especially paying attention to the homosexual shift and listening to each story that I hear to understand the back. I find it too easy to just that the bible speaks against it. We know that, then how in the world are these people not being delivered? Are they destined for hell because what they are practicing in which they say they can't get deliverance from?I am careful not to fall into an emotional trap in this subject because the emotionalism of it has caused people to raise their voice in promotion of gay marriage. It is all about love and if 2 people love each other then she should be able to marry. But where is the power of God in all of this? Has God removed Himself from it?John
The harlot church (mother and daughters) will not be persecuted, she will be judged by God and destroyed at the coming of Jesus Christ. Judgment is coming on apostate christendom, don't get it confused with persecution. For as much as we have a counterfeit harlot church we must also have counterfeit persecution to go along with it." What's interesting is that most will view us as the bad guys. We will be the ones breaking the law."Friend, what if the God of the Bible views "us" as the bad guys too. His word seems to imply that religious hypocrites receive the greater damnation. Isn't protesting gay marriage while allowing open divorce and remarriage and being marred with internal pornography addiction pure hypocrisy (not to mention the rampant greed in christendom that God abhors as much as homosexuality). If modern christendom really cares about preserving biblical marriage they would push for legislation to outlaw remarriage after divorce. Of course they wont because they would go broke from offending away their supporters. These are all things we should humbly consider.This is the same for abortion. Protesting a woman killing her baby in order to maintain an easier lifestyle but supporting the dropping of bombs on villages in the middle east that kills babies because it's perceived to protect our american dream followed by appreciation days for the evangelical soldiers who did this in Iraq. I wonder if the jews went around talking about how they were being persecuted when God sent babylon to judge them in Jeremiahs day? So which does the world hate more, the truth in opposing the evils of abortion and homosexual agenda or the blatant hypocrisy in it? Maybe both but only one leads to persecution.
preach it! make it plain!your word was annointed and True...i could just quote the entire post you made, but everyone can read the original, i just wanted to put an "amen!" right beside it.i also wanted to reach out, i think you were cross with me a bit back, and to be absolutely honest, i forgot my transgression, so do me a favor, email me, and lets heal this up...yes?in Jesus' love, neil
@DEADn Dear brother, it is not God's lack of using His power to deliver homosexuals from their sin, it is either the lack of their willingness to turn from it or the church's lack of proper evangelism. Here is proof: David Upton, a homosexual for 27 years, was completely delivered from homosexuality once he was saved. Here is his testimonial video by illbehonest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdQ6_MAH2A It is an amazing example of the power of God. He is ready to completely deliver homosexuals if they are willing to repent.
"Friend, what if the God of the Bible views "us" as the bad guys too. His word seems to imply that religious hypocrites receive the greater damnation."Good point. My statement was about those who truly were God's adopted sons and daughters. I like what you've said. I had written in a very similar vein concerning homosexuality on my blog, which is now down. It's a shame for the church to attack homosexuals, who are people in need of a savior, and allow other forms of sin to go on without the same level of condemnation. However, I don't see where legislation will make any difference. The only thing legislation will do is drive sin underground. If we could simply legislate morality then there would have been no need of a savior. We could all just try real hard.I think the bigger issue is the hypocrisy you're talking about. Abortion is bad, but we support any and all wars. Homosexuality is bad, but not as bad as cheating on your wife. It's also become an issue of "us vs. them" instead of the "us -->for<-- them" it should be. Jesus ate with sinners. He didn't protest them. We have aimed our reproach against the very people we should be giving our lives for and are giving our lives for the very people deserving of our reproach.
Like usual, John, you do keep asking the hard questions! But that is OK....So why are people not delivered from their sin/temptation? As I read your question and pondered on it, thinking about John 15 as well, I am wondering if it is possible that people are focusing more on deliverance from a sin rather then abiding in the vine - Jesus Christ? This principle applies to all sin. When we work to liberate ourselves from a besetting sin, focusing on the sin all the time, is it possible one takes his eyes off the Redeemer and focusing it on himself, his willpower and thus experience failure?Somehow I seem to believe this must be the case based on Jesus message to his disciples about abiding in the vine, John 15.My thoughts at the moment...ginnyrose
I think these people's fears are right on. Unfortunately, it no longer is merely a fear but it already is happening in some places - you no longer can voice any opposition against homosexuality without experiencing serious reprisals like job loss, firings. For some reason one can voice opinions about music, morals - heterosexual and not experience serious consequences. Wonder why?
If I profess, with the loudest voice and the clearest exposition, every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christianity. Where the battle rages the loyalty of the soldier is proved; and to be steady on all the battle-field besides is mere flight and disgrace to him if he flinches at that one point.Eph 610 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:Stand on Romans 1
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