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Brother Greg,
In love, I did that. I approached you privately and you even heard my heart/spirit and knew you penned me wrong as some "hater". You said you'd consider the warning. Then, you came back with more Mr Theresa.
2-3 have come to you privately. Make no mistake, I love you, but I felt it was the leading of the Lord to then warn, exhort, rebuke, & correct you publicly. That is Biblical you know? I meant not for your harm or slander (I never once slandered you), but for your good.
Love in Christ,
Mr. "Anonymous8" apparently. :-)

 2012/12/8 18:46









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FYI - even of you hid your apparent favoritism for Basila Schlink, Mr Theresa, & the like, the the the Lord is most concerned with (especially with you in a leadership position) is how did that kind of not "rightly dividing the Word of truth" & lack of discernment take root in the first place?

 2012/12/8 18:49
jimp
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hi, my last comment on this subject.What good does it do to condemn the condemned.to point out errors in doctrine of church that savonarola,luther and many others have already done.do you think they will change because of your thoughts ? the bontaine brothers worked hand in hand with mother teresa in india andalthough she gave her life ministering to the poor;she died in bondage to the church.there is nothing positive that can happen when we harshly come against anything.there are millions of souls that need the light to shine in their lives with the gospel,preached in love and wisdom to them.you cannot do that with the condemning spirit.have mercy.micah 6;8 jimp

 2012/12/8 19:49Profile
Miccah
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lol.

I've been reading these threads, and for the longest time I could not figure out who Mr. Theresa was. Didn't know if that was a husband of Mother Theresa or what...

Then the light went on.

Thanks for the goof at least. :)


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 2012/12/8 23:07Profile









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I can feel a lot of love in this thread. Brrrrrrr.

 2012/12/9 0:13









 The Gospel and the Truth Must slay us all; Lest we be deceived and die.

I might point out that it was Greg Gordon who POSTED the Mother Teresa thread pointing out quotes from her that he thought blessed. This legitimately opened the forum to response, and when the discussion stepped on his toes, primarily pointing out that she was in Cultic, demonic RCC heresy, he locked the Thread, banned the offenders from the forum indiscriminately, and shut down every other thread that brought up the issue.

This is, and was disturbing to many on the forum, and is very similar to the Usurper Diotrophes in 3 John:

I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church. [ Forum ]

Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God."

The truth is, that this forum is a business, not a Church, and therefore , through opinionated control, the truth might be compromised for the sake of profit by those who benefit from the control of it.

Here is a post that I gave on a thread that was cancelled with no explanation. The thread was closed because there was truth in it that offended Greg Gordon.
[ Krispy Kritter stated that he agreed with much of Jeff's discernment as Gospel truth, but not his accusatory attitude.]

"Speak the Truth in Love, and let God do the rest."
Krisp! It's good to see you back and in fine form I might add. I thought there was a lot of salt in your post:

"Like I said several times yesterday... I actually agree with the premise of what jeff was saying. There was truth in his words, and I too have been disturbed by the positive light in which the roman church has been portrayed as of late on this forum by the leadership."

"And another thing that needs to stop is we need to cease acting like a martyr when someone doesn't agree with us."... [ Krispy speaking. ]

I think that possibly Jeffmar is looking at SI forums like someone would look at a real church. This is NOT a functioning Church, it is a religious wheel of ideas, where we are allowed to express ourselves with our opinions, and that is all.

Sometimes, I suppose, it becomes a pulpit where we can preach too, but it is not a Church. In a functioning, Elders led Church, Heresies , like the Papal evil, or Mormon lying doctrines, would be purged along with their perpetrators immediately.[ hopefully .] [ 3 John ]

Here, we must learn more tolerance, and realize that we cannot convert someone, or bring down fire on those we think are in error. I think there are some here who have never been born again, but adapted a religious spirit, but I cannot change that.

Only the Holy Spirit can convict to Truth & Repentance. So, we must learn to lay out our Truth, & let Her do her work & don't let it become personal; God will do that.
This is the issue as I see it, and to become so frustrated, & angry that you must leave, defeats the purpose of ministry..


Otherwise, I do not have to defend the Truth, but I do not have to contend for it. IT IS NOT PERSONAL. God will do His work & men will either receive it or reject it; & we cannot control that or them!

I, personally, know that many here will not receive me; I expect that, & I also know that some here are in levels of error, but the Truth has a way of shining through, and dividing; just like the tare and the wheat stalk. Many have seen that, and have discovered where people really stand. God uses things like this.

"For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you." People see what others really believe eventually.

I personally would ask Jeff to consider what I've said, and that he is not alone in his discernment, but maybe got overwhelmed about his "righteousness", and angry. Consider apologizing for this attitude, and return with more tolerance; he does have a lot to offer in many arenas.

All Isaiah & Jeremiah had to do was cry out!. After having done that, it was all in God's hands, and men mostly ignored them. That is most of the prophetic call.
"And He said, “Go, and tell this people:
‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;

Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’
“Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.”

He, [ Isaiah ] could not [angrily] take his marbles and go home.

"Saying that Jeff, You may have well BEEN LED to leave SI, and I trust that you were.....just referring to Isaiah and how God calls the prophetic to stick to the Church like glue; even when they are sliding into Apostasy."

Satan does not war against the Gospel , per-se', but the Purity of the Gospel. He strives to defile her by "leavening" her with the lie, and staining her garments. This is what the RCC strives for, and what the Reformation Fathers gave their lives to defend.

Mother Teresa was not saved, but worshipped demons and served foreign gods & wicked doctrines, as does Basilea Schlink, and other syrupy mystics. Those who point this out, [ rightfully ] are rejected & banned. So, what are we to think?

Hope this is not my last post...but...the way the wind has been blowing....

In love: Tom Watkins.

PS: Love is a Person that created the purity of the Gospel.



 2012/12/9 0:25









 The Gospel and the Truth Must slay us all; Lest we be deceived and die.

I might point out that it was Greg Gordon who POSTED the Mother Teresa thread pointing out quotes from her that he thought blessed. This legitimately opened the forum to response, and when the discussion stepped on his toes, primarily pointing out that she was in Cultic, demonic RCC heresy, he locked the Thread, banned the offenders from the forum indiscriminately, and shut down every other thread that brought up the issue.

This is, and was disturbing to many on the forum, and is very similar to the Usurper Diotrophes in 3 John:

I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church. [ Forum ]

Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God."

The truth is, that this forum is a business, not a Church, and therefore , through opinionated control, the truth might be compromised for the sake of profit by those who benefit from the control of it.

Here is a post that I gave on a thread that was cancelled with no explanation. The thread was closed because there was truth in it that offended Greg Gordon.
[ Krispy Kritter stated that he agreed with much of Jeff's discernment as Gospel truth, but not his accusatory attitude.]

"Speak the Truth in Love, and let God do the rest."
Krisp! It's good to see you back and in fine form I might add. I thought there was a lot of salt in your post:

"Like I said several times yesterday... I actually agree with the premise of what jeff was saying. There was truth in his words, and I too have been disturbed by the positive light in which the roman church has been portrayed as of late on this forum by the leadership."

"And another thing that needs to stop is we need to cease acting like a martyr when someone doesn't agree with us."... [ Krispy speaking. ]

I think that possibly Jeffmar is looking at SI forums like someone would look at a real church. This is NOT a functioning Church, it is a religious wheel of ideas, where we are allowed to express ourselves with our opinions, and that is all.

Sometimes, I suppose, it becomes a pulpit where we can preach too, but it is not a Church. In a functioning, Elders led Church, Heresies , like the Papal evil, or Mormon lying doctrines, would be purged along with their perpetrators immediately.[ hopefully .] [ 3 John ]

Here, we must learn more tolerance, and realize that we cannot convert someone, or bring down fire on those we think are in error. I think there are some here who have never been born again, but adapted a religious spirit, but I cannot change that.

Only the Holy Spirit can convict to Truth & Repentance. So, we must learn to lay out our Truth, & let Her do her work & don't let it become personal; God will do that.
This is the issue as I see it, and to become so frustrated, & angry that you must leave, defeats the purpose of ministry..


Otherwise, I do not have to defend the Truth, but I do not have to contend for it. IT IS NOT PERSONAL. God will do His work & men will either receive it or reject it; & we cannot control that or them!

I, personally, know that many here will not receive me; I expect that, & I also know that some here are in levels of error, but the Truth has a way of shining through, and dividing; just like the tare and the wheat stalk. Many have seen that, and have discovered where people really stand. God uses things like this.

"For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you." People see what others really believe eventually.

I personally would ask Jeff to consider what I've said, and that he is not alone in his discernment, but maybe got overwhelmed about his "righteousness", and angry. Consider apologizing for this attitude, and return with more tolerance; he does have a lot to offer in many arenas.

All Isaiah & Jeremiah had to do was cry out!. After having done that, it was all in God's hands, and men mostly ignored them. That is most of the prophetic call.
"And He said, “Go, and tell this people:
‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;

Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’
“Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.”

He, [ Isaiah ] could not [angrily] take his marbles and go home.

"Saying that Jeff, You may have well BEEN LED to leave SI, and I trust that you were.....just referring to Isaiah and how God calls the prophetic to stick to the Church like glue; even when they are sliding into Apostasy."

Satan does not war against the Gospel , per-se', but the Purity of the Gospel. He strives to defile her by "leavening" her with the lie, and staining her garments. This is what the RCC strives for, and what the Reformation Fathers gave their lives to defend.

Mother Teresa was not saved, but worshipped demons and served foreign gods & wicked doctrines, as does Basilea Schlink, and other syrupy mystics. Those who point this out, [ rightfully ] are rejected & banned. So, what are we to think?

Hope this is not my last post...but...the way the wind has been blowing....

In love: Tom Watkins.

PS: Love is a Person that created the purity of the Gospel.



 2012/12/9 0:25









 The Gospel and the Truth Must slay us all; Lest we be deceived and die.

I might point out that it was Greg Gordon who POSTED the Mother Teresa thread pointing out quotes from her that he thought blessed. This legitimately opened the forum to response, and when the discussion stepped on his toes, primarily pointing out that she was in Cultic, demonic RCC heresy, he locked the Thread, banned the offenders from the forum indiscriminately, and shut down every other thread that brought up the issue.

This is, and was disturbing to many on the forum, and is very similar to the Usurper Diotrophes in 3 John:

I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church. [ Forum ]

Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God."

The truth is, that this forum is a business, not a Church, and therefore , through opinionated control, the truth might be compromised for the sake of profit by those who benefit from the control of it.

Here is a post that I gave on a thread that was cancelled with no explanation. The thread was closed because there was truth in it that offended Greg Gordon.
[ Krispy Kritter stated that he agreed with much of Jeff's discernment as Gospel truth, but not his accusatory attitude.]

"Speak the Truth in Love, and let God do the rest."
Krisp! It's good to see you back and in fine form I might add. I thought there was a lot of salt in your post:

"Like I said several times yesterday... I actually agree with the premise of what jeff was saying. There was truth in his words, and I too have been disturbed by the positive light in which the roman church has been portrayed as of late on this forum by the leadership."

"And another thing that needs to stop is we need to cease acting like a martyr when someone doesn't agree with us."... [ Krispy speaking. ]

I think that possibly Jeffmar is looking at SI forums like someone would look at a real church. This is NOT a functioning Church, it is a religious wheel of ideas, where we are allowed to express ourselves with our opinions, and that is all.

Sometimes, I suppose, it becomes a pulpit where we can preach too, but it is not a Church. In a functioning, Elders led Church, Heresies , like the Papal evil, or Mormon lying doctrines, would be purged along with their perpetrators immediately.[ hopefully .] [ 3 John ]

Here, we must learn more tolerance, and realize that we cannot convert someone, or bring down fire on those we think are in error. I think there are some here who have never been born again, but adapted a religious spirit, but I cannot change that.

Only the Holy Spirit can convict to Truth & Repentance. So, we must learn to lay out our Truth, & let Her do her work & don't let it become personal; God will do that.
This is the issue as I see it, and to become so frustrated, & angry that you must leave, defeats the purpose of ministry..


Otherwise, I do not have to defend the Truth, but I do not have to contend for it. IT IS NOT PERSONAL. God will do His work & men will either receive it or reject it; & we cannot control that or them!

I, personally, know that many here will not receive me; I expect that, & I also know that some here are in levels of error, but the Truth has a way of shining through, and dividing; just like the tare and the wheat stalk. Many have seen that, and have discovered where people really stand. God uses things like this.

"For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you." People see what others really believe eventually.

I personally would ask Jeff to consider what I've said, and that he is not alone in his discernment, but maybe got overwhelmed about his "righteousness", and angry. Consider apologizing for this attitude, and return with more tolerance; he does have a lot to offer in many arenas.

All Isaiah & Jeremiah had to do was cry out!. After having done that, it was all in God's hands, and men mostly ignored them. That is most of the prophetic call.
"And He said, “Go, and tell this people:
‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;

Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’
“Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.”

He, [ Isaiah ] could not [angrily] take his marbles and go home.

"Saying that Jeff, You may have well BEEN LED to leave SI, and I trust that you were.....just referring to Isaiah and how God calls the prophetic to stick to the Church like glue; even when they are sliding into Apostasy."

Satan does not war against the Gospel , per-se', but the Purity of the Gospel. He strives to defile her by "leavening" her with the lie, and staining her garments. This is what the RCC strives for, and what the Reformation Fathers gave their lives to defend.

Mother Teresa was not saved, but worshipped demons and served foreign gods & wicked doctrines, as does Basilea Schlink, and other syrupy mystics. Those who point this out, [ rightfully ] are rejected & banned. So, what are we to think?

Hope this is not my last post...but...the way the wind has been blowing....

In love: Tom Watkins.

PS: Love is a Person that created the purity of the Gospel.



 2012/12/9 0:26
hulsey
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Joined: 2006/7/5
Posts: 640
Missouri

 Re: The Gospel and the Truth Must slay us all; Lest we be deceived and die.

13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.
14 But if you have bitter envy and strife in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth.

15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.
16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.

17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

The New King James Version. 1982 (Jas 3:13–18). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

11 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.
12 There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?

The New King James Version. 1982 (Jas 4:11–12). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

9 Do not complain, brethren, against one another, so that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing right at the door.

New American Standard Bible: 1995 update. 1995 (Jas 5:9). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

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 2012/12/9 0:52Profile









 Re: The Gospel and the Truth Must slay us all; Lest we be deceived and die.

Can someone send me the link to where these quotes from Mother Theresa, I would like to read them thoroughly.

Thank you

Also, just a thought. This is Greg's online ministry. If we were in a Church setting and we tried to usurp the government of a Church, wouldn't the deacons show us the door? Whether he is wrong and we are right, it doesn't matter, either way we'll be thrown out. However, if he is wrong, God will deal with him.

The Church is certainly a business. It takes in inventory and recycles it back into the community. The early Church is a wonderful example of that. When Jesus was twelve years old He told His parents that He must be about His Fathers business. We all should look at the Kingdom of God as a business. This is a family business of saving souls and healing them and then equipping them to go back out into the world to further our Fathers business.

 2012/12/9 10:28





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