Krisp! It's good to see you back and in fine form I might add. I thought there was a lot of salt in your post:
"Like I said several times yesterday... I actually agree with the premise of what jeff was saying. There was truth in his words, and I too have been disturbed by the positive light in which the roman church has been portrayed as of late on this forum by the leadership."
"And another thing that needs to stop is we need to cease acting like a martyr when someone doesn't agree with us."
I think that possibly Jeffmar is looking at SI forums like someone would look at a real church. This is NOT a functioning Church, it is a religious wheel of ideas, where we are allowed to express ourselves with our opinions, and that is all.
Sometimes, I suppose, it becomes a pulpit where we can preach too, but it is not a Church. In a functioning, Elders led Church, Heresies , like the Papal evil, or Mormon lying doctrines, would be purged along with their perpetrators immediately.[ hopefully .] [ 3 John ]
Here, we must learn more tolerance, and realize that we cannot convert someone, or bring down fire on those we think are in error. I think there are some here who have never been born again, but adapted a religious spirit, but I cannot change that.
Only the Holy Spirit can convict to Truth & Repentance. So, we must learn to lay out our Truth, & let Her do her work & don't let it become personal; God will do that.
This is the issue as I see it, and to become so frustrated, & angry that you must leave, defeats the purpose of ministry..
Otherwise, I do not have to defend the Truth, but I do not have to contend for it. IT IS NOT PERSONAL. God will do His work & men will either receive it or reject it; & we cannot control that or them!
I, personally, know that many here will not receive me; I expect that, & I also know that some here are in levels of error, but the Truth has a way of shining through, and dividing; just like the tare and the wheat stalk. Many have seen that, and have discovered where people really stand. God uses things like this.
"For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you." People see what others really believe eventually.
I personally would ask Jeff to consider what I've said, and that he is not alone in his discernment, but maybe got overwhelmed about his "righteousness", and angry. Consider apologizing for this attitude, and return with more tolerance; he does have a lot to offer in many arenas.
All Isaiah & Jeremiah had to do was cry out!. After having done that, it was all in God's hands, and men mostly ignored them. That is most of the prophetic call.
"And He said, Go, and tell this people:
Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.
Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.
He could not [angrily] take his marbles and go home