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MaryJane
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Greetings Bear

I do wish you would reply to my post it was at the beginning of the thread. I hope I did not offend you with my question, it was not my intention to do so. In my prayers I pray for everyone here on SI often and it seems by your threads this is been on your heart so I wonder who it is who is saying all these things to you? If it is those you fellowship with in life perhaps it is time to find new fellowship?? I will be praying for you...don't let what others around you say cause you confusion GOD does love the lost Jews in the world just as much as HE loves you and I and HE wishes that none would parish. Of course GOD wants us to pray for one another and for the lost so we should be seeking to follow the leading HE gives us each day and places on our hearts. I know many who pray for the body of CHRIST as well as for those who are lost in the world today and I believe FATHER hears our prayers. Just pray for those who seem to be saying to you that you must choose one over the other and cling to HIS heart...pray for both lost Jew and Gentile so that JESUS might have HIS reward!!

God bless
maryjane

 2012/12/3 9:15Profile









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WHO are you talking about?

I think what Bearmaster might be referring to is why is our affections more toward Israel than the Church?

For example, if we were in this situation we would be no different than what the Apostle Peter did centuries before, if the situation were to be presented we would be just like him. If there was a choice to please a Jewish man versus a gentile man we would choose the Jewish man because there is more prestige and honour than being with a gentile pig. If our affections are upon the Jews and we say we wouldn't do that, we are only kidding ourselves because the heart is above all deceitful desperately wicked, who can comprehend it?

The reason why I speak so hard against this is because the Church of Jesus Christ is the Apple of God's Eye. We think of the Church that is separate from Christ, Christ is the body, we are simply members. God is the Tree, Christ is the BRANCH and we are the limbs that are connected. Some of the Jewish branches fell off because of unbelief (not all, thank God). We have in our thinking that God has more favour toward those who are not connected to the BRANCH than the Church, this is erroneous.

We were grafted in to those places that fell off but the same BRANCH has both Jew and Gentile in it. There is no separation between the races. When a Jew believes he is grafted into the vine, when a gentile believes he is grafted into the vine. We should not have more affection for one class of people, that is wrong. All have sinned, thus all need salvation, to the Jew first and also to the gentile.

 2012/12/3 10:48
MaryJane
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by Approved on 2012/12/3 4:48:47

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WHO are you talking about?

I think what Bearmaster might be referring to is why is our affections more toward Israel than the Church?

For example, if we were in this situation we would be no different than what the Apostle Peter did centuries before, if the situation were to be presented we would be just like him. If there was a choice to please a Jewish man versus a gentile man we would choose the Jewish man because there is more prestige and honour than being with a gentile pig. If our affections are upon the Jews and we say we wouldn't do that, we are only kidding ourselves because the heart is above all deceitful desperately wicked, who can comprehend it?

The reason why I speak so hard against this is because the Church of Jesus Christ is the Apple of God's Eye. We think of the Church that is separate from Christ, Christ is the body, we are simply members. God is the Tree, Christ is the BRANCH and we are the limbs that are connected. Some of the Jewish branches fell off because of unbelief (not all, thank God). We have in our thinking that God has more favour toward those who are not connected to the BRANCH than the Church, this is erroneous.

We were grafted in to those places that fell off but the same BRANCH has both Jew and Gentile in it. There is no separation between the races. When a Jew believes he is grafted into the vine, when a gentile believes he is grafted into the vine. We should not have more affection for one class of people, that is wrong. All have sinned, thus all need salvation, to the Jew first and also to the gentile.

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I have not heard or read anyone here at SI respond as saying GOD loves Israel more or that HE favors Israel more or that they show more affections toward Israel then they do the church??? So I asked who it was that was saying these things. He has chosen not to answer that is fine. I do not want to push any further. I just hope he knows I will pray for him and that GOD will help clear the confusion he seems to be struggling with.

We are all one bride, one body, one church...and we belong to JESUS let us pray for one another while it is still today, encouraging each other to follow KING JESUS!!



God bless
maryjane

 2012/12/3 12:07Profile









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Bearmaster, thank you SO much for posting this much needed topic on Israel and the persecuted Church. I sat through Timothy Gill's online training pertaining to the Persecuted Church and I was amazed at how out of touch I was with the infirmities of my brothers and sisters serving in the 10/40 window. I have been reading all the other SI members who are responding to your post, but I am still praying and seeking the Lord to know how and if to respond. Only Scriptures come to mind and I am opening to the Lord teaching me.

BTW, I am reading "The Holocaust: Where was God," by Art Katz and he covers some of the history of God's judgment on the Jews and how God's mercy triumphs over judgment. A sobering read.

"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin"

"Let love of the brethren continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it. Remember the prisoners, as though in prison with them, and those who are ill-treated, since you yourselves also are in the body."

"Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ."

"And blessed is he who does not take offense at Me."

"For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps."

 2012/12/3 14:31









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I have not heard or read anyone here at SI respond as saying GOD loves Israel more or that HE favors Israel more or that they show more affections toward Israel then they do the church???

No one on here that I know of is. SI is not the Church world, it's just a splinter.

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but I am still praying and seeking the Lord to know how and if to respond.

Refreshing words Soldout2Him.

 2012/12/3 16:50
staff
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Hi Bearmaster,
Their is an agenda here,their is a growing structure too called "the persecuted church" a term not used in the bible.
It is a by product of believing a living through the tribulation,no end times revival,their is only going to be a few of us real christians prepared type Christian view.
It is also a reaction to the blab it and grab it toronto,kansas prophet type movements.
At the moment we are saying things like
"Yet many professing believers sit content in tbeir comfortable American Christianity thinking this is New Testament."
The next step will be to say "well they are not really christian at all"
We are making two classes of Christians that makes it devisive.Your blaming western Christians for not living in north korea,ethopia etc.
If their wasnt an agenda we would term things differently
but the fact that we cant get away from the term "the persecuted church" makes it suspicous.
Yours Staff


 2012/12/3 17:23Profile









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Hi Mary Jane,

Sister sorry I did not respond immediately to your post. I have been on prayer initiatives and conference calls that have come out and said that Israel was tbe center of redemptive history. These believers have said Israel is God's prophetic time clock. Everything hinges and centers on Israel.

No one in tbe forum has implied this. But this being a group of diverse people we may have some people who are Messianic or Zionist in tbeir thinking. That is why I opened up these threads.

Thank you for your prayers. Appreciate you and glad you are posting again.

Bearmaster.

 2012/12/3 17:29









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Hi Tim,

Brother I have heard this teaching also. Those that support tbe idea of God having two covenant people draw mainly from Rev.12: 17. The devil is making war against the offspring of tbe woman. Those who keep the commandments of God, the Jews. Those who hold to the testimony if Jesus, the church. My question. How can the Jews be the offspring of the woman?

There is a certain well known Tele evangelist who says ut is a waste of time to share Jesus with the Jews. They will be saved by tbeir relationship to tbe law. Mosaic law that us. Yet Paul clearly demonstrates that no one us justified by tbe law. It condemns us. It points ys to our need for a savior.

Yet some evangelicals are calling the Jews estranged brethren. So what does that make tbe Moslems, Buddhist, Hindus, Mormons, JW'.s , etc.

Sounds like the Fatherhood of God and brotherhood of man rubbish I heard in tbe 70's. Actually sounds like the false religion of Antichrist.

Bearnaster.

 2012/12/3 17:47









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Hi Approved,

Brother I agree with you. The church is tbe apple of God's eye. Ephesians clearly shows that tbe church, consisting of both Jew and Gentile, the bride, is the object of God's affection. But to say tbis one will be accused of being anti Semitic. Oh well. Been called worse.

Bearmaster.

 2012/12/3 17:53
jimp
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hi, God is going to establish the new jerusalem where i am going to rule and reign with Him.not the new new york or london.jews need Jesus and i have many friends who have come to Jesus from judahism.jews make wonderful christians becaus they have brains and understand the culture.;jimp

 2012/12/3 17:58Profile





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