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Joined: 2009/4/5
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Joplin, Missouri


I understand what you are saying but don't you think that the motivation of the heart has to be one of a true desire to know JESUS personally and to walk with GOD?

Yes. This is the motive. Let me put it this way. The lack of spiritual soundness or foundation is, in my opinion, a fairly common if not marking characteristic of the modern American church, even among those who truly do love the Lord and have been born again. We are so inundated by life that, though our motive is good, our actions are not following. It is a bit like my efforts to lose weight. I love being healthy and active, and I love to eat good food. But my hectic lifestyle causes me to grab what I can and go and keeps me from the exercise I need. As a result I remain somewhat overweight. It is not that my motive is wrong, but my actions are not following my motive.

So I don't "have to" exercise. In fact, I spent a portion of the last weekend paddling a kayak on a local creek. I loved exercising. I desire to do it. I truly want to, but I am not following up with the doing of the thing.

Perhaps it comes down to a flesh spirit battle, because I find myself sounding a bit like Paul in Romans 7. Indeed I am willing and the desire is there, but am I doing it? There are times, I know from experience, that studying the word is labor and work. Though I love the work, it is still work, and requires that I discipline myself to get at it even when my flesh would rather sit in the shade and sip sweet tea.

Have a blessed Sunday Mary Jane.


 2012/9/9 7:57Profile

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Twayneb wrote:There are times, I know from experience, that studying the word is labor and work. Though I love the work, it is still work, and requires that I discipline myself to get at it even when my flesh would rather sit in the shade and sip sweet tea.


Yes I do see that. Thank you for taking the time to come back and share with me. I am grateful and appreciative to hear what the LORD laid upon your heart to share here.There is much in what you said I can understand and relate to as well.

I pray you have a wonderful Sunday and be blessed as well.

God bless

 2012/9/9 8:31Profile


Earlier I quoted 1Peter 2:2 As "newborn" babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Then reading the next verse God through Peter points out that you will desire this "IF" you have tasted that the Lord is gracious. This is Peters way of saying if you have been "born again". (Newborn)

Most "Churchgoers" are not born again therefore they do not have a hunger for the word.

1Pe 2:3 "If" so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

 2012/9/9 9:28

 Re: From the SI archives

Again another good message on being in the word is one by Don Allen. He speaks on Eight Reasons to be Committed to the Bible. Don speaks from his experiences with the Navigators. The message is given to a group of collegiates encouraging them to be in God's word.

I like these type of messages. They are good meat and taters. Solid, filling, and practical. By God's blessing I was impacted by the Navs in the early days of ny walk with Jesus. I have so appreciated their ministry in their love for the word.

In listening to this short 40 minute messages I was stirred once again to a a practical love for God and his word. This is a good hearty message to encourage you to love Jesus and his word.

Saints hope you check out the archives. There is some good treasure there. God bless Greg for putting this data base of good messages together.


 2012/9/9 10:11

 Re: From tbe SI archives

Another good message by Hans Waldvogel entitled Desiring the Sincere Milk of the Word. Good solid preaching in a German tradition. Message is in English. Very rich food for the soul. Message is 30 minutes long.


 2012/9/9 15:59


Last night brother Kevin Turner led off on our SI prayer call. He shared with us about his experiences ministering in the restricted nation of Eritrea. One thing that Kevin shared was how those in prison would find comfort in scraps of paper that contained scripture on them. Often times these scraps of paper would be more precious than the physical food itself.

Saints what can the persecuted teach us? What do they value more than life itself? How precious is the word to us? Will we wait till it is too late and he Bible is taken out of our hands?..Are we going to wail and lament and say "If only, If only ".

Saints while we still have time. Please get into the word. Has anyoneheard of Keith Daniels? What do you think of when you hear his name? His love for the word? He has said that 15 minutes reading the New Testament in the morning and 15 minutes at night reading in the Old Testament you have gone through the Bible in a year. Certainly we can give God 30 minutes. Yet I can hear it now. I don't have time. How many of us spend more than 30 minutes in this forum. Ouch! Just stepped on my toes.

Saints whether you do what Keith Daniels does or use Prof. Horners system or use an app on your phone. (I listen to a Travellers Go Bible). Whatever works for you. As a certain athletic shoe company says. Just do it.


 2012/9/10 10:13

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You might want to read what I said again.

I never implied that a person needs to read the Bible in a hard copy.

I have counseled many people who are weak in their faith and I hear the same excuses. "I don't have time to read the Bible I'm too busy."

They have endless hours for Twitter, Facebook, Angry Birds or whatever, but they don't have 15 minutes with Jesus in His Word.

Everyone in the world has 24 hours a day. Jonathan Edwards, Leonard Ravenhill, A.W. Tozer, John Wesley, all had the same number of hours we all have today. With access to Bible apps on phones, Internet Bibles etc. There is no excuse for people who have access to them not to spend time in God's Word.

That is my opinion; sorry if that offends anyone!

 2012/9/10 16:07Profile

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iceman, it's possible I did misunderstand you, I am still working on perfection, if I did I am sorry. For me personally, I am still trying to figure out how this thread edifies the body of Christ.For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ.

Unto every believer is given some gift of grace, for their mutual help. All is given as seems best to Christ to bestow upon every one. He received for them, that he might give to them, a large measure of gifts and graces; particularly the gift of the Holy Ghost. Not a mere head knowledge, or bare acknowledging Christ to be the Son of God, but such as brings trust and obedience. There is a fulness in Christ, and a measure of that fulness given in the counsel of God to every believer; but we never come to the perfect measure till we come to heaven. God's children are growing, as long as they are in this world; and the Christian's growth tends to the glory of Christ. The more a man finds himself drawn out to improve in his station, and according to his measure, all that he has received, to the spiritual good of others, he may the more certainly believe that he has the grace of sincere love and charity rooted in his heart. Matthew Henry

Mr. Bill

 2012/9/10 17:35Profile


I am one of those people that don't read my bible daily. I have read it several times before. From time to time I read it, but never to read it for reading sake. Surprisingly God gives me a passage, sometimes just a one single word or two words and that sets my mind in motion. Personally, I am a strong proponent or believer that Matthew 4:4 It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

"by every word that proceedeth". Because the Holy Ghost dwells within, we have in us a well springing up unto everlasting life. That well is God speaking words of life into our spirit. When He speaks faith ignites, and faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

If anyone is reading this and is thinking that I am discounting the written word of God, your mind is looking for strife, for I think not that way at all. I love my bible, but I also love it when God speaks to me by His Spirit that dwelleth in me.

 2012/9/10 22:14


"During my student days in Toronto my one weapon, in the jails and slums, was the Bible. In China I have often given from thirtyfive to forty addresses in a week, practically all of them being simply Bible rehearsals. In fact, I think I can safely say that, during the fortyone years that I have been on the foreign field, I have never once addressed a Chinese audience without an open Bible in my hand, from which I could say, "Thus saith the Lord!" I have always taken it for granted that the simple preaching of the Word would bring men to Christ. It has never failed me yet. My Chinese pastor, one of the most consecrated men I have ever met, was saved from a life of shame and vice by the first Gospel address which he ever heard me give.

My deepest regret, on reaching threescore years and ten, is that I have not devoted more time to the study of the Bible. Still, in less than nineteen years I have gone through the New Testament in Chinese fiftyfive times. That prince of Bibleteachers, Dr. Campbell Morgan, has declared that he would not attempt to teach any book in the Bible unless he had first read it over at least fifty times. Some years ago, I understand, a gentleman attended the English Keswick and was so fired with a zeal for the Bible that in three years he read it through twelve times. One would imagine, of course, that he belonged to the leisured class. On the contrary, however, he began his day's work at the Motherwell steel plant at 5:30 a. m."

Jonothan Goforth

 2012/9/16 19:04

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