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Tears_of_joy
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 Prophetic word from Art Katz

Taken from
Decade of nineties - 8:40 http://artkatzministries.org/audio-messages/decade-of-the-nineties/

Preached some more than 20 years ago:


"In a word, I am anticipating that we are going to see in this decade the alignment of the religious forces that will prevail until the end of the age, the age may end by the year of 2000, but if it goes on a little before that or a little longer than that, be assured that what happens between now and that time, this ten year period will cast the major and basic formation of the thing that will prevail until the coming of the Lord.

You are going to required to choose, you are choosing even now, but you are not conscience of that, where you are going to end up in terms of the church, as the great centrifugal and polarizing forces are going to move us into one camp or the other.

We are going to be radicalized and there is not going to be any neutral ground for those of us who don't have stomach for that, who just want to be "Ordinary Christians", just get along, just be a Sunday pew-sitter, mind your business, not irritating anyone and just go on. I want to tell you, that that option wont be available to you.
To be an ordinary christian in this decade and the end of the age, will be to be apostate.
And God has never called us to be ordinary, He has called us to be extraordinary, he has called us to be apostolic.

It has always been God's intention for the church, from the beginning, how much more at the end.
A church of apostolic glory, of apostolic power, of apostolic integrity, of apostolic character, of apostolic service.
These are "they" that turned the world upside down.
These are also candidates for persecution and for martyrdom.

And we who have clucked our tongues at the reports of martyrdom that have come to us from distant places, "Iron Curtain" countries and Africa, need to embrace ourselves and to know, that that's not phenomena confided to the distant places.
It's a phenomena that will always take place, wherever God's people break in to a transcendent and real place with God that the world can not tolerate and abide. If we have got no way with it, it's a testimony to a our shame.
It's a scandal of western Christianity, that it has been so thinned, so inoffensive, so "going on with it's own Sunday business", that the world has not been required to take NOTE, let alone to OPPOSE it!

But I want to tell you that in a world that is coming to into consummation, in a SYSTEM that is OPPOSED to God, in it's very character and nature that is ANTICHRIST, those who will stand for Christ and refuse to take the mark of the beast, will find themselves candidates for martyrdom.

And if we cannot buy or sell, how then we shall subsist?
I think that we should now to begin to consider these things, and God is speaking these things now so as to prepare us and to feed us for the realities that shall shortly come to pass and are already working

I am not saying 'Thus saying the Lord' but I have suspicion that the issue of 'the mark of the beast' or 'the name of the Lord on our foreheads' is not the designation that is going to come to us in some final hour where we get stamped, but it is EVEN NOW being formed day by day and moment by moment in the transactions to which we give ourselves for convenience, for luxury, for security, in a SYSTEM that is that is increasingly HOSTILE and OPPOSED to God.
How much attenuated to luxury are we? How much do we need our security and how much we are willing to go with it?

As one who is possessed an American Express Card for about twenty years and paid my bills regularly, never paid the 18.5% exorbitant interest if you allow the debt to go beyond a month, I have finally broken it up and destroyed it.
Just felt constrained by the Lord to give it up, that there is something about it, that has .... a spiritual weight, a moral implication of a dependency on not upon God, but upon a SYSTEM established by men. I want to tell you something, it's a very naked feeling not to have that card in the wallet.

There is a whole intricate, complex SYSTEM that has been raised up in the world to which we have mindlessly subscribed!
And I suspect in my prophetic intuition that every time we get into that, we condescend to it, we go along with it, we buy and sell in it, we establish our security in it, we find our comfort in it, something is being embossed on our forehead and our hand, and the day of the Lord will reveal what number we bear!

You know what is apostate about the apostate church? It still continues to speak the vocabulary of the faith!
You still continue to use the terminology, you still call Lord, Lord, but the reality and the power have long ago disappeared, and not only that, it would be offended with that minority of the spirit that has not go along, and call them 'heretical'.



I am not saying these things to scare or to panic, but to prepare and to alert. We need to know what time it is, and it’s the Lord’s very mercy to speak to us in a such a way as to align ourselves with things as they in fact are.” And I am not saying things that non of us don’t know, but I putting it together by the grace of God to a such a way, that we might get a sense of totality of this in all inclusiveness of this and the direction toward which is going. You know many of us are Christians but are really humanists in heart. If we are scratched deeply enough we believe in inevitable progress, we think that the things will improve or the science has the answer. That is not the eschatological and apostalic sense of things as given into scripture. Scriptures indicate is winding down and coming to conclusion of an age that is helplessly and incorrectibly corrupt."


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 2012/8/11 14:50Profile
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 Re: Prophetic word from Art Katz

Hi Tears of Joy,
Even in 1990 none of what was written was new.Also its 2012 now along way after 2000 .So although what he was saying was true it is hardly new prophetic information even in the nineties.
I think preachers who believe we are to live through the tribulation do view a very negative end for the church and fail to use examples given in the bible of the Anti-Christ and apply them to the end times.
Yours Staff

 2012/8/11 15:33Profile









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Thank you for transcribing this for us, Brother Kire.

The point is, the multiple warnings to 'this' generation and this generation will not pass until all that HE told us will come, does come.
More Christians have gotten credit cards and have depended on the government since 1990 than any generation before them.
If we can't see the very rapid moral decline in every area of life in our own country just since our own childhood, there's something obscuring our spiritual vision.


Maranatha!

 2012/8/11 18:01
InTheLight
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 Re: Prophetic word from Art Katz

Quote:
I am not saying 'Thus saying the Lord' but I have suspicion that the issue of 'the mark of the beast' or 'the name of the Lord on our foreheads' is not the designation that is going to come to us in some final hour where we get stamped, but it is EVEN NOW being formed day by day and moment by moment in the transactions to which we give ourselves for convenience, for luxury, for security, in a SYSTEM that is that is increasingly HOSTILE and OPPOSED to God.
How much attenuated to luxury are we? How much do we need our security and how much we are willing to go with it?



This is very profound and I have always suspected that the the mark of the beast was not something that would be stamped on us in some final hour.

This forces us to consider the spirit behind all that we allow ourselves to be engaged in and attached to. How little I think of these things. I pray that, like Paul, we can honestly say that we are crucified to the world and the world is crucified to us, especially as the world enters its last convulsive, dying throes.

Thank you Kire for sharing this message, the Lord bless you my brother.

In Christ,

Ron


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 2012/8/11 18:28Profile
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 Re: Prophetic word from Art Katz

Quote:
"In a word, I am anticipating that we are going to see in this decade the alignment of the religious forces that will prevail until the end of the age, the age may end by the year of 2000, but if it goes on a little before that or a little longer than that, be assured that what happens between now and that time, this ten year period will cast the major and basic formation of the thing that will prevail until the coming of the Lord. Art Katz.



I wonder in what sense this word and most of the prophecy could in any sense be called truly prophetic. Sayings such as “alignment of religious forces” sound interesting, but the substance if there is any must attend to a condition which has existed in the world since the beginning of that work of iniquity which is characterised by unity of purpose and must be to do with Satan himself. Alignment means coming into visibility of purpose. Alignment of religious forces must in this context mean a visible and effectual working of wickedness for a purpose. Jesus taught us that if Satan’s kingdom were divided in any way it would fall. It isn’t divided and it will not fall until Christ Himself brings it down. Even then a season of influence will prevail after the 1000 year kingdom which will be characterised by men directly and knowingly taking sides against Christ with Satan. Then all opposition will be completely destroyed.

All religious forces have been aligned from the beginning. In our age these forces first became visible through the Pharisees who accused Jesus of labouring in the power of Satan. Thus they rejected God’s will for their lives and have perished. John spoke about the spirit of antichrist having already come into the world. Paul spoke about the mystery of the working of iniquity and identified in that working, a certain and clear outcome. This outcome was and is to be the Man of Sin. The one peculiar outcome in this time is the emergence of the apostate church. Not a false church, but an apostate church. In short just as it will take 1000 years of the reign of Christ in visibility to press some, perhaps many men into open and certain rebellion with Satan, so it will take an apostate church to make the Man of Sin possible. If the church did not become apostate the Man of Sin could not arise. He would be rejected openly and fully by all saints in their speech and conduct so that even the world itself would not be able to accept that which was false in exchange for that which is true. The prophetic nature of Scriptures takes account of and reveals the reality of the time in which these things are to happen, so they therefore reveal the overarching condition of the church at that time. Just as the overarching condition of the world that will follow Anti-Christ is revealed. There is nothing prophetic about stating the obvious that’s for certain. However, what we say must attend to reality and we should not begin to sound like new age prophets.

To have benefited from this prophecy one would have had to have been a recipient at the time. Only then could one have known if it in some way drew your attention to realities which you had otherwise missed. However, the words extend their day and press into years. Herein lays the folly of such prophecies. The opening paragraph is already proven false and so today at least it inclines to a rejection of the whole word. I say false and I mean false. It’s no good mincing words. If we will insist on setting dates and times to events, which measure belong to God Himself, we will always make fools of our selves. If we do then we are in fact claiming to be prophets of God, and not simply possessed of a spirit of prophecy. In the same way if we are claiming to be prophets of God and what we say does not come to pass, we are proven false.

The New Testament prophetic ministry should not be visible in this way. The prophetic discerning spirit which Art refers to should be just that, discernment. If the prophet is able to discern and out of that is able to Minister God’s Word to the saints, until Christ is fully formed within those saints, they will have accomplished that for which they were called. All the rest is just vanity. All prophecy which sets out times and seasons should be in the context of Scripture. Only then will it have any deeper benefit in stirring up believers to seek after God so as to please God.


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 2012/8/11 19:38Profile









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Andrew - this link is for you -

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/?p=3882

The title is inaccurate. The Manhattan [NY] Faith House was the first.



What Kire posted was just a part of a sermon by Art Katz and Kire could tell us which sermon it came from.

If you had ever attended one of Art's speaking engagements, I think you'd adjust your view of this man.

 2012/8/11 19:49









 Re: Prophetic word from Art Katz


From first paragraph - "... be assured that what happens between now and that time, this ten year period will cast the major and basic formation of the thing that will prevail until the coming of the Lord."

If someone was watching the events coming out of Washington, D.C. from 1990-2000 and keeping track of the Executive Orders written and what the Presidents were doing that the general public were not aware of and what they were setting up that was the foundation of the one world government and religion and through New York City - they'd know that what this paragraph is saying, happened.

Most of which has been discussed on this forum over the last 7 yrs.

 2012/8/11 20:19









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"The Kingdom vs. Patriotism" ~ Art Katz

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=10795

 2012/8/11 20:37
InTheLight
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 Re:

Ironically, in response to amrkelly's post, Art Katz himself would probably be the first to say, "he might be right."

However, there was little "false" about Art. In the words of a former moderator here, Mike Balog, Art was, "A very genuine, warm, wonderful man of God."

"Genuine" would be the word that best describes him.

In the words of another dear brother who used to post here, Mike Mordick, "Art is a humble man and very real. When I lived in Illinois I was part of a home church and Art came to speak at our fellowship a couple of times. He is the type of man that you sit around and listen to but it seems hard to even utter a word."

In Christ,

Ron


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 2012/8/11 21:16Profile
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 Re: Prophetic word from Art Katz

Thank you for the link Anne. I live just a few miles from the intended abomination which is referred to in that article. I also lived in Leicester where there has been a clear and visible move to create this so-called merging of spiritual forces for the past 25 years. It may be difficult to understand but this “merging” began in the 1st century and culminated in Constantine embracing the Christian Faith with all of the diabolical consequences which have resulted from that one man’s delusion. Rome is the visibility and wickedness is the object.

What this centre in Truro represents is no different in substance to Rome itself. The only distinction is that Rome once terrorised men into subjugation to its authority. All religious beliefs have been accommodated into Rome precisely because Rome had once the power of Kings and princes who could wage war on behalf of Rome. Today in Europe more princes and Kings have a mind for Rome than for Christ Himself. Their ability to “grip” their peoples with Roman heresies and subject them to Roman influence is no less a reality today than it was 500 years ago. This business with Rome attends to Scriptural prophecy and the business of drawing attention to a recent merging of spiritual and religious powers is a new age focus, having more to do with those who are alive now, and desire to see religious unity now, than with the only Scriptural measure of these things. The substance has existed for nearly 2000 years and its conclusion won’t be found in Truro, but Jerusalem. Going up to Truro to curse a folly will be a simple matter. Anyone who is minded to go up to Jerusalem will find that it will cost them their lives.

As or Art Katz I don’t have an opinion of the man. I have never met him not do I know him, nor do I, nor will I follow men. Neither, having read the OP do I reject the entirety of what he has shared. It must be true that in sharing at that time Art was seeking to encourage and warn against dependence on a system of buying and selling which represents and is represented by men who are increasingly given over to the love of money with all of its consequences. My motive in posting wasn’t to diminish Art’s ministry or to “prove” that he was false. It was to draw attention to the prophetic ministry which I believe will come back into remembrance and understanding in our day for the express purpose of proving God’s will and purposes in our day. This will include the problem of apostasy; the coming into visibility of the Man of Sin, the necessary persecution of the church; as well as the preservation of those who would go the narrow way. It is a separating out of those who forsaking everything, will make themselves ready.

Only in America do men say that the one world government is in America. Or that the basis for the one world government is in America. Those who have succumbed to the heretical and doctrinal madness that is epidemic in American no doubt believe it too. However, the Scriptures give no reference to America whatsoever. End time events in Scriptures have to do with all those nations which surround Israel and the Mediterranean sea or the Great Sea. American doesn’t need to be in Scriptures because it was founded for a singular purpose and because of its own actions and conduct will be entirely brought down and weakened beyond anything presently imagined. America contains the seeds of its own rise and its own destruction. It will stand for all that which is foolish and vain in our day. It will be a visible and terrible modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. It will be a testimony to men and a sobering outcome to the nations of our day. But it will have nothing to do with Scriptural end time prophecies and events. This is what I believe. And I accept that I may be completely wrong or misguided.

As for the events coming out of Washington DC in the 90’s I have no doubt that Art discerned right. My reference to falsehood had to do with the underlying claim and is more substantive than a mere decade in the life of a nation. It was to do with “the end of the age” reference. No such end has come. All prophecies which base their substance on speaking for God must be subject to God, Who alone knows the end of the age. America's conceit as a nation has driven it to thinking it is the teacher of nations. It has taught nothing but greed and individualism. It has become the curse of nations. It had the beginnings and opportunity of no other nation, save perhaps for Israel itself. From the beginning it has failed to achieve what it set out to do. God Himself has intervened several times and has given the USA a chance to shine. Yet it has always gone back to the mire of the love of money and self adoration. Yet for all this reality the USA will have little if anything to do with the real end of this age.


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