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 can the devil make your heart extremely pained

I've been battling this recently, something that I never had before.

Can the devil actually make your heart extremely pained to the point that you hardly can bear it.

Initially I thought it was God but now I'm not so sure, so would want to know whether the devil can do it so that I know better how to approach the situation in which I'm facing.

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 2012/7/27 9:36Profile
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 Re: can the devil make your heart extremely pained

Are you speaking of physical pain, or spiritual?


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 2012/7/27 9:51Profile
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spiritual pain


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 Re: can the devil make your heart extremely pained

Hi! 'Learn'

You asked, "Can the devil actually make your heart extremely pained to the point that you hardly can bear it?"

Ummm, I've never thought about this sort of thing previously. Neither is it that I can say that I've experienced such a thing for for myself.

But when your question resounded in my heart, I was immediately reminded of the Scripture saying, "And he sighed deeply in his spirit", (Jesus).
Afterwards, I hurried over to BlueLetterBible.org and looked up the intrinsic meaning behind the words "sighed deeply" and discovered the following: to draw up deep sighs from the bottom of the breast, to sigh deeply .

There is another reference which I found to be similar and that is Mark 7:34, "And looking up to heaven, he sighed", (Jesus).

I hope this might be of some help to you, 'Learn'.

 2012/7/27 12:35Profile









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Hi learn!

I need to tell you first, that I have truly and sincerely appreciated your spirit on this forum. I've wanted to say that before, but have been going in several directions since I've moved to my new home. My Dad and trying to stay in touch with folks almost around the globe. I don't have all the wherewithall neither the physical strength to always do it nor 'say' everything that I'm feeling inside because of the rush of it. Can barely get the out the words I'd like to put things in neither. But have felt convicted to tell you what I opened this paragraph with, indeed.

To ask or answer a question like this - we need to go to The Bible and seek our answers from there Only, for our own protection against human opinions based on human-experiences alone.

Through-out the Old Testament, can you tell someone where and under what conditions was the enemy spoken about?

Then next, we go to the New Testament and see, where and under what conditions the enemy was spoken about.

Do we have any great Prophets of GOD in the Old Testament that were "physically afflicted or in deep warfare" with an invisible "devil" or just humans attacking them?

In the New Testament - do we have any 'True' Christians, such as our Apostles, recorded there, that were physically or invisibly attacked by the enemy - either in their body or spiritually?

These are important questions to ask ourselves as we should know His Word and what the enemy 'can and can't do' to a genuine Child of GOD!


Something is bothering 'you'. You're picking up on something that is troubling your spirit/heart. I recommend that you read the Psalms and cry [literally] to GOD and ask Him to show you what is troubling your spirit. And I don't mean "demons" ... I mean that something is bothering you, yourself and only praying in the spirit, crying out alone to GOD will reveal what you're sensing or feeling in your heart and that will cause you to grow wiser/sronger in Christ, once He reveals to your heart, what is troubling you.
I call these times, "growing pains". Times of deeper 'revelation' from GOD.


Take it or leave it - but that's my reply.

Please stay with what The Word says about anything having to do with 'the enemy' - for Jesus' sake.

Col 1:16 For By Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created By Him, and For Him...
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us.


Will be praying for you, dear Saint!
In the love of Christ Jesus our LORD and very Protective 'Good' Shepherd.

 2012/7/27 12:52
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learn,

The Lord is always bringing us into deeper areas of death in our self-life and in the holy management of our private thoughts. He does this gently, through the gradual increase of light in the secret areas of our heart. As more light increases, the more the mess of our unmortifed "fleshly nature" is revealed and exhorted to be put under the submission of the Spirit of God. This submission is accomplished via a mutual collaboration: by our spirits acquiescing to God's influence to overcome the flesh's power through grace. When we "cool off" and become lackadaisical in our upkeep of the new man's vitality, our girded mind begins to slip and our conscience, which is allied to God, sets off an alarm. This alarm will keep going off until the fire is put out.

The Lord uses the devil to wreak havoc in our minds, to tempt our souls, and to torment us with the grand design to drive us back to Christ's blood and to once again submit to His Spirit's dominion in our lives. He uses Satan like a tool in this regard. The fact that your heart "pains" is the deepest evidence that He cares for you. It is the effects of His on-going school of sanctification, which affords us priceless lessons to last for all eternity. When we start to drift, God brings a satanic storm to generate waves of pain to drive our vessels back to the shores of Christ. The waves of pain should always bring you back to ground zero: to a safe and dry Calvary.

Brother Paul


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That is well stated, Paul.

Satan's oppression can cause much pain and yes he is God's tool to bring that pain for our hearts to be tested.

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Satan's oppression can cause much pain and yes he is God's tool to bring that pain for our hearts to be tested.


It can be very painful indeed. There were times during past afflictions where I thought I was going insane. But I found that God will never abandon you during these tests. He allows Satan, like a cruel Nebuchadnezzar, to turn up the flames. However, the focus for us should not be the a fire itself, but the Son of God Who is in the flame with us.

I've written a book that is sort of a little instruction booklet on spiritual warfare. It gives answers as to why born-again Christians suffer in the secret place of the heart. It sheds light on Satan's advancements through the ungirded mind with the aim to establish a stronghold in the heart. Strongholds are excruciatingly painful, and only God's power can get rid of them. But once they are gone, if we are not careful to keep our hearts and minds with all diligence, they can come back. The book I wrote explains the process by which they come, and then by which we are delivered from them, and by what means we are protected from becoming re-infected.

It is available here: http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Mortification-The-Pathway-Victory/dp/147017460X

But if you cannot afford it, please just email me and I'll send the manuscript to you free of charge. I believe every Christian needs to have this information; it will save you and the ones you love a massive amount or heartache and grief.

pwest@centurytel.net

God bless and keep you in Christ's love.

Brother Paul


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1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;
but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself,
and that wicked one toucheth him not.


I have a question on the use of the word "stronghold[s]".

Could you give New Testament evidence of such a phenomena.

The word itself, is only used once in Paul's writing, where he was using that word as "arguments" against himself.

But in regards to "sin" in general, through-out the New Testament - I only see commands to 'stop'.

Could you please back this 'principle' of "strongholds" with the Scriptures that confirm this belief to you?

Thank you!!

 2012/7/27 19:29
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The word itself, is only used once in Paul's writing, where he was using that word as "arguments" against himself.


Well, yes and no. In context with II Cor. 10:3-6, Paul is linking strongholds (notice, plural) to spirit/flesh warfare. In the verses that follow the "pulling down" of these strongholds (literally, fortresses), we read the synonymous terms of "casting down" imaginations (of the mind) and every high thing that exalts itself against the Word of God. This "every high thing" is an all-inclusive term, not only relegated to a mere "argument" against Paul. At least I do not read this in the context. Paul is speaking of rank spiritual warfare, if you track the text from verse 3. This spirit/flesh war concept is echoed again in Galatians 5.

Strongholds - or fortresses - are "cast down" through the weaponry of God. In order for them to be broken down, they must first be built up. This is why I make a distinction between "stronghold sinning" and impulsive sinning. Impulsive sinning (i.e. a hasty word) can be immediately repented of and forsaken without emerging into a pattern. Stronghold sinning is a trap that dooms one to repeat over and over again. It is a dark spiritual addiction.

I understand you are a woman. If you would like to see a very real definition of a stronghold, speak with a Christian man who is under the power of internet pornography and hates it with all his might. He prays, he groans, he tries, he wills to stop. But he can't. Its claws are entrenched in his mind. A fight with his wife could spring it, or stress at work, or a failure of some sort. It's a "besetting sin" with claws sinking deep into his mind and taking root. He desperately tries to thwart its rearing, cries out to God to have mercy on him as he shamefully gives in again and again. It is a fortress of lust, a controlling spiritual principle embedded in his mind, a poisonous escape hatch from the reality of his miserable spiritual life. But he hates it and would do anything to be free from it. For others it can be food, alcohol, drugs, violent outbursts. I am speaking for born-again believers, mind you, and not heathen.

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But in regards to "sin" in general, through-out the New Testament - I only see commands to 'stop'



Men and women who have been in bondage to strongholds know what I am talking about, and they can tell you all about it. They can also tell you how wonderful it was when God at last freed them. It had nothing to do with them "stopping"; God showered them with grace, broke the devil's power in their mind, and swept their heart clean. Now, they can "stop" when the old temptations come to re-erect new strongholds, because they war from inside a clean heart and pure conscience. They can keep the "strongman" from re-invading. Once he is in, however, they need deliverance. Mere "stopping" cannot work at this point. And even if they are able to stop the physical manifestations; the inner heart is already infected and seething with the grips of secret lust.

Hope this helps.


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