| Re: You are a superior race, separate and of the ruler class of mankind.|
If then, so called, interracial marriage is a sin, and we go to hell for sin, does that then mean, that Moses, who married an Ethiopian woman, went to hell?
And would those, of subsequent interracial marriage have gone to hell?
What then of Salmon, who married Rahab, and Boaz who married Ruth, who was the great grandmother of King David?
Just a thought.
| 2012/7/30 6:33||Profile|
| Re: Judging Interracial marriage: Spitting in the Face of God.|
The greatest prophet of the Bible, chose to marry a Semite black woman, and suffered the wrath of many, including his dearest family. See how God responds:
Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
And they said, Hath the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the Lord heard it.
(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
And the Lord spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.
[ IN FRONT OF TWO MILLION HEBREWS!....THE Lord WANTED TO MAKE A POINT.]
And the Lord came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
GOD STOOD IN FRONT OF THEM ALL, AND SPOKE!
...And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them; and he departed.
.... And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.
And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned.
Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother's womb.
And Moses cried unto the Lord, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee.
And the Lord said unto Moses: [ SPITTING IN THE FACE OF GOD]
" If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days? let her be shut out from the camp seven days, and after that let her be received in again."
And Miriam was shut out from the camp seven days: and the people journeyed not till Miriam was brought in again....
ALL OF THE ISRAEL NATION THEN HAD 7 DAYS TO CONSIDER THIS ISSUE....AND WERE THERE WHEN GOD STOOD AT THE DOOR OF THE TENT......SAW THE SIN, THE CURSE, THE JUDGMENT, THE DISCIPLINE AND THE MERCY.........All over a racist attitude about interracial marriage.
I think this makes it very clear how God views the subject. "The Ethiopian is MY creation, as is the Hebrew or Caucasian....and to reject them as inferior to your superior blood-line, is as spitting in my face; THE CREATOR OF ALL MEN!"
PS: Jesus died for all men, and, "For God so loved the
World......that He gave."
Reference and scripture application credit: My pastor buddy, Bob Pulfrey.....BT
| 2012/7/30 10:11|
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I hope no one is of the false impression that I agree with the comments of what Peter Hammond wrote on interracial marriage, I am doing research on somethings I feel he is missinformed about concerning the early Anabaptist and While I was searching his Websight came across that artical. To His credit I would hesitate to call him a Racist he has dedicated and risked his life to bring the Gospel to the African people. Hammonds View as many of his are yesteryears Orthodoxy. If many of the staunch traditionalist would post there true views on this subject on this thread, you would find much simmilarity with theres and Hammonds artical.
We need to continualy examine our traditions our views our Orthodoxy in light of scripture
| 2012/7/30 12:29||Profile|
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Granted Papa. I repent of calling Hammond a racist. Yet when one reads the article he seems to articulate those views. Yet I wonder given his work with the persecuted if he really believes in his heart what he articulates in his mind. As I posted in your other thread I do not think he understands the spiritual nature of the kingdom of Christ.
| 2012/7/30 12:45|
| Re: interracial marriage views by Peter Hammond|
How about Timothy ?? Paul praised the faith of both his mother and grandmother. If his theory is right, Paul must have lapsed.
2. Tim 1:5 when I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice and,I am persuaded, is in thee also.
Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:
I listened to Peter Hammonds talk about his work in Sudan. I was very excited about the work what God did there. Then he mentioned his support for taking up arms and his blatant praise for the crusaders and my heart sank.
I am also in a mixed marriage and I do not experience the problems he mentions. In fact most of our friends are Christians in mixed marriages.
Just like everyone else, Peter Hammond is responsible for the words he speaks.
How about America? You will only find a tiny minority of people who in their ancestral lineage never crossed race borders.
In this respect he neither speaks the truth nor in love. This is downright offensive.
| 2012/7/30 17:58||Profile|
| Re: interracial marriage views by Peter Hammond|
I will respond to the OP and say that interracial marriage is completely Biblical. I hold the phrase, "unequally yoked" to be referring to believers and non-believers. I am married to my wife who is a Christian. I would never choose to marry a non-believer.
As one who is more reserved in my rebukes simply for my un-assertive character, I must speak up and kindly rebuke you, proudpapa, on your views of interracial marriage. Marriage is clearly defined in Scripture as one man, and one woman, and more than that, a believer with a believer. I also believe you deface the value of having children by saying,
"The children will belong to neither the race of the mother, nor of the father."
This statement breaks my heart. The act of having children is a type of God being our father. God is my father through my belief in Him. I am his child. No one else will tell me otherwise. His house is a house with many rooms. Many rooms to house many people. Many people to represent the people of God. The people of God to represent the many nations. The many nations to represent different races.
"and now at the beginning of the 21 st century, Hollywood and the news media have bombarded us with images and propaganda to promote all manner of previously unacceptable conduct, including interracial marriages."
In regards to this, I see many pictures and advertisements representing individuals from different races. Asian, Caucasian, African-American, etc. In all honesty, it pertains more to discriminatory laws and appeal. A company founded in the United States cannot discriminate based on someones color of skin, so they advertise people belonging to many nationalities.
EDIT: In researching other posts on this website, I realize proudpapa is not Peter Hammond. I do not feel comfortable rebuking someone who is quoted. To me it's like speaking into the wind. He will not hear my rebuke.
| 2012/7/30 20:28||Profile|
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David, Papa was quoting the views of Peter Hammond. Papa posted an article further back in this thread. In this article Hammond feels interracial marriage is wrong. This is not Papa's view. If I remember correctly Papa is happily married to a beautiful sister from the Phillipines. I believe God has blessed them with two beautiful children. Hence his handle Proud Papa.
| 2012/7/30 20:41|
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I tried to edit my post before anyone saw, haha. Thanks for the correction, though!
| 2012/7/30 21:05||Profile|
| Re: bearmaster|
Hi bearmaster you got it all right except //happily married to a beautiful sister from the Phillipines//
I believe you may be remebering deadn being married to a Filipina.
| 2012/7/30 21:41||Profile|
| Re: Psps|
Oops sorry bro. Trust you are happily married to a lovely sister.
| 2012/7/30 22:10|