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Koheleth
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 Message Source for Zac Poonen's "Can a Christian Watch TV/Movies?"

There is an excerpt of less than ten minutes from a Zac Poonen message here: http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/myvideo/photo.php?lid=2945.

Does anyone know the source message? I would like to listen to it all.

 2012/7/20 16:15Profile
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 Re: Message Source for Zac Poonen's "Can a Christian Watch TV/Movies?"

Possibly from "Hyderabad Conference 2011-Such a Great Salvetion" #2 or #3, more likely #3
Here are the links to both.

Such A Great Salvation: 2. Saved By The Life of Jesus by Zac Poonen (Telugu)

http://youtu.be/OPzgqBQPLnc


Such A Great Salvation: 3. Salvation From Seeking Man's Honour by Zac Poonen (Telugu)

http://youtu.be/mks1Bj0kQts

God bless.


Edit- Actually, it may be #1
Sorry I do not have time to listen to them all. I am just making guesses

Here is the link to #1

Such A Great Salvation: 1. God Changes Honest People by Zac Poonen (Telugu)


http://youtu.be/sCfO1Il1HV8




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 2012/7/20 19:55Profile
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 Re: Message Source for Zac Poonen's "Can a Christian Watch TV/Movies?"

The ten minute section I posted was so good, I transcribed it all. More powerful to watch, but I always like to have the text to review. The video transcript is the rest of this post, from the message segment titled "Can a Christian Watch TV or movies?" by Zac Poonen.

Jesus did not come to give us knowledge of good and evil. He came to give us life, and when you have life, that will always tell you what is right and wrong. Otherwise, we can have information in our head.

Many times, in some of our conferences we have question and answer sessions. And I find some of the questions people ask: Can a Christian do this? What is wrong in doing that? How much can we do this? What type of movies can we watch and we should not watch? That is like little children asking on a railway platform, “How close can I stand to the edge of the platform when the train is coming in? Daddy, how close can I stand to the edge of the platform when this train is coming in? Three inches? Six inches?”

What will a sensible father say? Stay as far away as possible. But these people who ask, "How much can I do without becoming worldly?" They are not seeking for life. They are saying, "How close can I go to the edge of the cliff without falling down?" These are all babies. Grown-up people are not trying to find out how close to go to the edge of the cliff.

Today we have a generation of Christians growing up, saying, "What is wrong with this, what is wrong with that?" They don't want life. They want some rules. Ah, this man of God said this thing is okay, so we can do it. They live by rules. When you live by rules, it is a proof that you don't have life. It means you are in spiritual death. I will give you an example of this.

When people have leprosy--my wife used to work as a doctor for lepers, and that's how I know something about it--when people have leprosy, they don't have sensation in their hands or feet or things like that. So, they can put their hand on a hot stove or something and don't feel anything, a burning hot stainless steel vessel. They don't feel anything; there's no sensation.

Or a thorn can get into their foot--they don't know anything. So we have to give them laws. Don't touch hot stoves. Don't touch stoves without finding out if it is hot or cold. When you see one stainless steel vessel in the kitchen, you must find out is it hot or cold--don't touch it. At night, before you go to bed, look under your feet. Are there any thorns there? There's so many like that, so many rules we have to give them because they have no sensation. Do you need such a rule? Why? Do you not need the rule?

Because as soon as you touch a steel hot plate, your hand will come off. Why? Because of some law? No, because you've got life in your hand. When you have life, you don't need a law. Why do you not have to check your feet at night if there are any thorns? Because if you walk somewhere and the thorn comes, immediately you will know because you've got life. So where there is life, you don't need laws. But where there is no life, you need laws.

So when people have not come into the New Covenant of life in the Holy Spirit, then you have to make laws for them. Like we make laws for children: brush your teeth, change your underclothes, go and have a bath, finish your homework, eat the vegetables. So many laws. Why is it grown-up people don’t need laws like that? Your father doesn’t have to tell you now to brush your teeth.

When we need laws, it's because we are babies, or we don’t have life. That is the meaning of Galatians 5:18, if you are led by the Holy Spirit, you are not under law. But if you are not led by the Holy Spirit, you don't seek to be filled with the Holy Spirit every day, then you need rules! Don't look at the cinema posters. Don't go to the cinema theater. Don't watch these television programs, and you have to make a list of thirty, forty television programs you should not watch. But one day they may add a new program that is not in that list, what will you do? Then you have to go to the man of God again and find out, this new program, can I watch it or not?

But when you have life and you are watching something on television, the life inside will tell you, "Turn off that channel!" Just like if you touch a hot plate, immediately the life says, "Take your hand away!" Supposing you are on the computer and some pornographic channel comes up. Immediately life will say, "Get away from there! Get up and run or turn off the computer or change the channel." And if the computer is slow to change the channel, turn it off. Sometime the computer takes some time to change the screen, 5 or 10 seconds. Pull out the plug, it will stop immediately.

Don't say, "Okay, after five seconds I'll shut it off." When you touch a hot stove, do you say, "Ah, I'll just keep it for five seconds, and then I'll take it off"? Five seconds is enough to burn your hand. And that's what happens, you watch this for five seconds on the computer screen. It's burnt into your memory, and it will come out in your dreams. That is why you have those dirty sexual dreams, because you don't have life; you don't take out your hand immediately. And you don't even keep the law, which says, "Turn it off."

 2012/7/20 22:48Profile
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Thanks UntoBabes! It is in the third message. The segment begins about 16:20 in, but I am finding the entire message is just as good. Definitely recommended.

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Thank you so much Koheleth for transcribing the message. Thanks too to UntoBabes.


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Good stuff, I also am grateful for the transcription. Such a good analogy. The Lord has obviously blessed that brother with lots of wisdom.


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Good stuff, I also am grateful for the transcription. Such a good analogy. The Lord has obviously blessed that brother with lots of wisdom.


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Re: Message Source for Zac Poonen's "Can a Christian Watch TV/Movies?"
by Koheleth on 2012/7/20 19:48:00
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Hi! Koheleth

Yuh wanna' know sumthin'?
I've never listened to a single sermon or teaching here since my first visiting here about 2-3 months ago. Not a single one. I faintly recall being sortta' thrown off the idea when I first arrived here because I saw a few names and their teachings being advertised which didn't much appeal to me.

Anyways, I read your Thread here ... and I was totally captivated by it. The metaphor about leprosy rang so true to me.
So, I'm now feeling much more comfortable about browsing some of these featured Sermons/Teachings available here. (I've heard so many lousy lies and messy ideas over the years that I've become both cautious and weary ... and perhaps a bit too cynical and suspicious too).

I'm off to find that Sermon you mentioned in this Thread now and I'm looking forward to hearing it.

THANKS for your telling of it.

 2012/7/21 11:09Profile
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Again, we don't live by rules and regulations but by the Spirit. The Spirit defines what is sin in our lives and will not lead us into sin. He will lead us to put to death the deeds of the flesh.

That is why you cannot say watching an "amoral" device whether it is a TV, Iphone, Ipad or whatever is sin.

The Spirit will tell you whether He is pleased with you watching what you are watching on that device.

People that keeps rules and regulations better than others are lifted up as more spiritual and God does not look on the outward but on the heart.

We cannot judge people that own TVs as non spiritual or weak.

Pilgrim

 2012/7/21 11:42Profile
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pilgrim777 said:

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Again, we don't live by rules and regulations but by the Spirit. . . . That is why you cannot say watching an "amoral" device whether it is a TV, Iphone, Ipad or whatever is sin.



I don't believe this has anything to do with the content of this thread. There is another thread going in the main section now that mentioned the lust for "doubtful disputations". Why start another one? This thread, as stated in the original post, is about Zac Poonen's message on life in the Spirit.

 2012/7/21 15:24Profile





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