Here is my question. Is Mormonism a cult? If it is a cult, how can Christians vote for a Mormon? If we know that Mormonism is a cult, and that Mormonism is against the Lord, how can a Christian justify voting for someone that is an abomination to God? Have we sunk so far in our own walks that we will overlook a little thing, like a satanic cult, in order to vote "conservative"?Our next President of the United States could very well be a cult member. How can you sleep at night knowing that you may have helped place him in that position... A cult member?
_________________Christiaan“May you so live, that when you stand over your child's dead body, you may never hear a voice coming up from that clay, "Father, your negligence was my destruction! Mother, your prayerlessness was the instrument of my damnation!""Impress these words of Mine on your hearts and minds . . . Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up." Deuteronomy 11:18-19 - Charles Spurgeon
I do not vote for any elected official according to his faith, or lack of it, especially in Presidential elections, because there never have been any in my lifetime. I do look at the character, and veracity of a man, and how he may handle the office, in comparison to another; in this case, a man embracing abortion and wicked anti-Christ sentiments about a sodomite nation; and a Muslim, Obama.Is it wrong to select the best man for the office, be it the lessor of two evils? I do not think it wrong. He is not my spiritual leader. I am commanded in the word to pray for my political leaders, and submit to to the law, but God first. I personally draw the line around Abortion, and after that, just look at politics as secular.I challenge you to point out one Christian President ever. Abraham Lincoln published a small book denying the Divinity of Christ*, and Thomas Jefferson thought Jesus a great moral teacher, published a Bible with every reference to His Deity deleted.*[ "When I left Springfield I asked the people to pray for me. I was not a Christian. When I buried my son, the severest trial of my life, I was not a Christian. But when I went to Gettysburg and saw the graves of thousands of our soldiers, I then and there consecrated myself to Christ. Yes, I do love Jesus." A. LincolnI believe Free-masonry to be much more evil than Mormonism, at least the equal in it's sinister traditions. Below is a list of Presidents who were Freemasons:George WashingtonJames MonroeAndrew JacksonJames PolkJames BuchananAndrew JohnsonJames GarfieldWilliam McKinleyTheodore RooseveltHoward TaftWarren HardingFranklin RooseveltHarry TrumanGerald Ford There were a lot of "affiliated" Presidents, but who knows the degree of Christian commitment?List of Presidential religious affiliations (by religion)Baptist..............Warren HardingHarry Truman (Southern Baptist)Jimmy Carter (Former Southern Baptist)Bill Clinton (Former Southern Baptist)Congregationalist..............Calvin CoolidgeJohn Adams (later Unitarian)Disciples of Christ...............James GarfieldLyndon JohnsonRonald Reagan (also Presbyterian)Dutch Reformed...........Martin Van BurenTheodore RooseveltEpiscopalian............George WashingtonJames MadisonJames MonroeWilliam Henry HarrisonJohn TylerZachary TaylorFranklin PierceChester A. ArthurFranklin D. RooseveltGerald FordGeorge H. W. BushGeorge W. Bush (later Methodist)Methodist..........James Polk (originally Presbyterian)Ulysses Grant (allegedly; his theology is unknown)William McKinleyGeorge W. Bush (originally Episcopalian)Presbyterian...........Andrew JacksonJames Polk (later Methodist)James BuchananGrover ClevelandBenjamin HarrisonWoodrow WilsonDwight D. EisenhowerRonald Reagan (also Disciples of Christ)Quaker...........Herbert HooverRichard NixonRoman Catholic...............John F. KennedyUnitarian..............John AdamsJohn Quincy AdamsMillard FillmoreWilliam Howard TaftUnited Church of Christ...............Barack Obama (later no affiliation)No denominational affiliation.............Thomas JeffersonAbraham LincolnAndrew JohnsonUlysses GrantRutherford HayesBarack Obama (previously United Church of Christ)[ info from Wiki; ["Christian Presidents" ]I believe that America is bound to be judged, and fall. This would not change if Paul the Apostle came, and was elected."Then the Lord said to me, “Even if Moses and Samuel stood before Me, My mind would not be favorable toward this people. Cast them out of My sight, and let them go forth."Only a deep National repentance and a great turning to God would help us, and as a whole, we are committed to hate and defy Him, no matter what."But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk. And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts."
That is a lot of fluff BT. Your vote for Romney, is a vote for Satan and what the deceiver stands for. There is no justification around this. All those other Presidents that you state, what has that to do with THIS current presidental race? What do those elections have to do with YOUR vote for a cult member? Also, be careful calling President Obama a muslim, or you may be guilty of bearing false witness.
Well, I made myself clear, when I said I voted for candidates on a secular level. I really like Reagan, and am conservative and like yourself, [ probably] am anti-abortion and pro-family. I may well vote for Romney as a better choice than Obama. Some one's got to run whats left of the catastrophe we find ourselves into.As far as Obama being a Muslim, he spent the National day of prayer doing so in a Muslim mosque, and I heard him testify that in Islam he learned how to pray as a youth. The Muslim Messiah, Isa, was invoked at his inauguration by both Rick Warren and a Muslim cleric. Obama seems to me to be more of a Muslim the either a Marxist, [ hard to believe]..or a disciple of Reverend Wright or Saul Alinsky, or a devotee to the sodomite left.So, I vote my conscience, as I have thought it through. I am sorry you may see this as fluff. These men are not my Priests, nor do I follow their moral example; I follow Jesus. They just handle the money and governing process to keep my country afloat and orderly; hopefully.BT
BT. Yes, I am conservative, pro-life and pro-family. :)Since you stated the following "...I voted for candidates on a secular level."... Would this include voting between 2 Muslims candidates for President as well, if that was the choice? I ask because it comes back to the basis of my question. Thank you.
Brother I share your sentiments. I have had go rounds with members of the forum over the rationale of voting for a Mormon cultist only to be told that they are not voting for a pastor but a president. Brother let them do as they wish. You will not change their mind. I have stopped engaging in these discussions.I invite you to join our Sermon Index prayer calls. There we are engaging tin the true fight. We are advancing the kingdom purposes of Christ. We would love to have you come pray with us. Watch the board for call details.Bearmaster
I believe we should be very careful to not let this issue become divisive and heated. I live in a very politically-minded household (not myself personally, but others). I will have 6 young adults voting in the coming election so we are having much discussion over the issue in my home. I personally am wrestling with the issue a GREAT DEAL and can understand points on both sides of the issue (not normal for me as I am usually considered a pretty black and white person). True - we have to answer to God in our conscience, and yet to not vote for Romney, is in fact voting FOR Obama. His policies have proven to be evil beyond belief. I just think it is possible for very conscientious and thoughtful and conservative (TRUE) Christians to come down on different sides of the issue, and while we may not understand the other person's side, we should be careful not to have the Christians fighting each other on this thing....
Mama27. The issue is that Romney is in a cult. Is anyone denying this fact?If it is a fact that he is in a cult, how can a Christian vote for this man? How can someone seperate their vote from their beliefs without bastardizing those beliefs?Let me put it another way, even if it may be a strawman...If the presidential race was between 2 Muslims, would folks still pick "the lesser of two evils"? Or would they abstain or vote for someone totally different.I would disagree that not voting for Romney is voting for Obama. Not voting for Romney is just that... not a vote for Romney/cult.
I am not denying that Mormonism is a cult. I am inclined to be on the side that you take. I am only saying that it is a VERY difficult issue, and I think a person has to be convinced in his own conscience.
Miccah, bearmaster: I agree that Mormonism is most surely a cult. But, just because our current President claims to be Christian doesn't make it so. I thought that i was a Christian for years, but wasn't. Jesus said that we will know the tree by its fruit, right? What kind of fruit is abortion? It is no secret that our current President is the most pro-abortion President in history. He even co-sponsored a bill to allow doctors to kill a baby who actually survived an abortion. This is not Christian fruit. Sorry. Mt 7:17-23. As far as who to vote for, my opinion is to vote for whoever is closest to our Christian values.
