If God knew before He created mankind who would be consigned to everlasting torment, then I am sorry friends a peron's "responsibility" has nothing to do with it. God already PREDESTINED them to their fate, remember? and there is not a thing they can do about it.You all can certainly go on believing this foul doctrine that slanders the very character of God but I won't have any part of it. If you think it brings glory to God that in eternity past he predestined John Doe to eternal hellfire and Jane Doe to eternal bliss, I am afraid you are sadly mistaken. That means that God wanted some people in hell. Isn't that what the devil wants?
I am saved by grace through faith. You all can keep your isms...This horse has been beaten, cut up, and eaten. Why re-hash? What is the point? Worthless conversation...
It was a good conversation until TMK decided to take it into the sewage.I'm more than willing to discuss theology with anyone, but when the personal attacks and name calling begins I must leave.I was hoping for a good conversation among brothers, but it's apparent that thats not gonna happen here today... as usual.So it goes with SI.Krispy
TMK you said:"If God knew before He created mankind who would be consigned to everlasting torment, then I am sorry friends a peron's "responsibility" has nothing to do with it. God already PREDESTINED them to their fate, remember? and there is not a thing they can do about it."You're right, and not only that how would the Gospel be good news to the reprobate?Russ
Look at all of God's chosen people who died in the wildness. God had given all of them the Promised Land but only two of over 500,000 people believed God.Did God want them all to enter? - YESWas it God's will that they would enter? - YESCould have more people entered? - YESWas it God's fault that they did not enter? - NO!!!!The bible is very clear on the reason why - they did not enter because of unbelief!!!!Even Christ was limited on doing miracles because because of unbelief.It is true that we ALL have been chosen in Him before the foundation of the world but if you refuse to believe you will VOID any Predestination.What God has done is a living reality but your own unbelief will keep you from ever experiencing this reality for yourself.
I have to ask... has anyone who is commenting on this thread even studied what reformed theology teaches?A lot of what is being said here indicates that most have not because there is a GROSS misunderstanding of even the basics of reformed theology.On that note, I am out. Enjoy. :-)Krispy
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