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 Why Antichrist won't conquer America-Walid Shoebat

If we have a "Great Awakening" I believe this could be true.

Some tired of "doom and gloom" posting.

This article presents hope for America

 2012/6/16 11:25

 The selling of doves. Where is your comfort?

"Some tired of "doom and gloom" posting.

This article presents hope for America"...thingsabove

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And He [ Jesus ] said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!”.........and;

"Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.

"In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’

"Therefore her plagues will come in one day....death and mourning and famine."

Consider American sin compared to the four sins of Babylon.

"And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts." Rev. 9:21


SORCERIES [ Drug use also {pharmakeia ] 100 TV shows glorifying witchcraft, Satanic ritual performed live at sporting events, not counting Rock Concerts, Rampant drug addiction legalized and endorsed by our medical community, Meth, Pot plagues and on and on.

SEXUAL IMMORALITY: Taught as normal and right from Kindergarten through College; The World leader of Porn, The legislation of Gay Marriage to a Sodomite infested is bottomless.

THEFTS: The banking Spirit, Pay-day loans, massive heights of Usury, and the entitled mindset of taxing the rich to support the poorer, all for more pleasure.

And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her."

This could not involve America! After all, we have "In God we trust written on our money.

Remember this; Jesus personally dictated the Prophecy of Revelation to John, and warned about a word, or jot or tittle being changed. There is much hope and life in this book, and the Word of God would not have been sealed and complete without it.

America will not repent. If she did, it still would not change the outcome spoken in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and in spite of how you may twist this word, every nation tribe and tongue means what it says. If hearing someone saying it does not, comforts you, that's your business. To me,it scares me, and I fear for them.

It does not represent hope for America, for it is leading some into a false hope.

 2012/6/16 13:16

 Re: The selling of doves. Where is your comfort?

brothertom I have wished you blessings in your ministry.

You of course must say what you must.

I am only saying that if we have a Great Awakening
then it's possible this article could come true.

I am carefull of being to dogmatic on certain prophecy scriptures. I am aware of America being the mystery babylon etc.

And it very well could be. But I personally cannot say it 100%

I can say 100% that America needs to repent. God has judged America many times for our disobedience. He is currently judging and chastising us both personally and as a nation because He loves us and wants us to to turn back to Him!

I do still thank you for your strong stands for the Lord!!

 2012/6/16 13:30

 Can we repent?

Thingsabove: I sincerely did not want to offend you, and I was not directing my response directly at you. I appreciate your humility, and maturity in discussion.

I hope America would repent, but I think it is too late. God has never not avenged the spilling of innocent blood. We are awash in it.

There is not a cry for mercy found in our National leaders, but the opposite. It is as though our country has "Doubled Down" in the face of a holy God to defy Him, and more-so each day. This latest Presidential mandate legislating Sodomy into our Family structure, and mandating it into our National defense, was alarming.

I have a sense of foreboding, as if some line was crossed, and the Father is angry.

And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her."

So, I do think Judgment is imminent. I am trying to understand the full meaning of "Come out of her my people!" Holiness unto the Lord! is part of it. It is like we are carried along to our destinies by strong waves too powerful to sail in. Yet, we must trust and obey, in the midst of our lives.

Most, with young children especially, look upon this idea of Judgment coming warily. It means, if carried to logical conclusions, the end of life as we know it. This could be terrifying.

I would remind myself, and others, that this has happened many times, to many true believers, in many ages and countries. [ Been to the persecuted church in China. Once, they were not persecuted and content.] We are not to fear the future; we are to fear God, and keep His commandments. [ Jesus ].

"These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

 2012/6/16 14:32


Thank you, Brother Tom.

I don't have the time to go point for point on this article, though there are Scriptural errors in pretty much every sentence or paragraph and I'd like to counter them with Scriptures when I can, but we do need to address at least three of his main points, as they are very misleading.

The attack on Israel from the verses he is quoting comes at the Return of The LORD Himself and not any war[s] that will precipitate the coming of antiChrist.

Second point -

Walid wrote: This position that every nation will fall to the Antichrist is impossible since the Bible clearly states that some will even resist the Antichrist and even defeat him. The verses are rarely even discussed. In Ezekiel 28 it even confirms that the most powerful nations (strongest fortresses) on earth will annihilate the Antichrist:

“Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness. They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of [them that are] slain in the midst of the seas” (Ezekiel 28:7-8).

Jesus said -

Rev 19:20 ""And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.
These both **were cast ALIVE into a lake of fire** burning with brimstone.""

The antiChrist will indeed affect the 'entire globe' with the technology that is already in place today - produced mainly through our own scientists, military industrial complex and gov laboratories.

AntiChrist may very well come out of America - as well as any other British nation. We only get clues from Daniel 8 where the little horn will originate and time will tell and Daniel 8 goes further than just Alexander the Great but points to the antiChrist himself - the little horn - as some O.T. Prophetic words have dual applications - to save space - as only an omniscient GOD could write a Book that does so with such great accuracy.

This is a very dangerous misinterpretation and manipulation of the prophetic Scriptures and brings a delusion to the Saints in the form of a very false hope.

The main points of the many that I see in this article that are stretching Scripture to suit one's ["narcissitic"] desires are ones that should bother any serious researcher of Bible prophecy.
Saying that this one country will be exempt and these unbiblical views of the antiChrist and how his life ends and by Whom, will be a stumbling block for those that are Biblically illiterate where it comes to eschatology.

Personally, I've never read any view that has wrested Scriptural perimeters and our own History and current events that line up with Biblical judgment, as much as this article has.

World Net Daily has been going through some changes with their religious beliefs, such as the HRM and should have stayed just the straight News Site that they were over a decade ago. There are few true patriot conservatives in this country that will even quote WND, nonetheless, go there for any doctrinal instructions.

No personal insult intended to the member that posted this here.

eta: actually, I'm very glad that you did post this here, so we can keep up with what WND is up to now and whomever comes up with the latest in false prophesies of the end times.

 2012/6/16 19:19

 Re: Can we repent?


Do You think it's possible that God could send a more devastating judgment than 9/11 and then use that to wake up America to here need to repent? Then America could have a Great Awakening after the next great judgement against her?

Jesus is God, no offense taken

 2012/6/16 19:30

 Re: Why Antichrist won't conquer America-Walid Shoebat

There is big money in the telling of future events. Anyone person can put something together and make a lot of money and Christians are the biggest buyers.

Since I do not subscribe to any Anti Christ theories that is from the bible for our future, but you know, Obama is an Anti Christ. What Christian will cave to pressure from his party to make into law that gay marriages is okay? Or allow a party at the Pentagon for gays and lesbians? What does national defence have anything to do with someone's sexual orientation and then throw a party? Who does that? He can say he is a Christian all he likes, he is not. It was a political move to get the gay vote when November comes. God means nothing to this man.

He's not the only one of course, but we say what we say because of what he said he is, a God fearing Christian. I can understand if he wasn't a Christian and he did what he did, that would be different and understandable in some regard, but to do what he did is down right Anti Christ.

We don't say much about it, but the Chinese Government opposes homosexuality of any kind. They are Anti Christian, but they stand against this, which is not Anti Christ. So I commend them for their stand. Another thing the Chinese government is doing is filtering the porn that comes into that country via the internet. They filter out human rights stuff too, but nevertheless, they are to be commended again for this. They persecute Christians too. But you know Saints, I have read about people that have been persecuted in other countries and they escape to America and they find that freedom was destroying their testimony and they opted to go back to the lions den where they can share their testimony even though they would be persecuted.

 2012/6/16 21:05

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 Re: Why Antichrist won't conquer America-Walid Shoebat

QUOTE: "Some tired of "doom and gloom" posting."

Wow, if you are tired of gloom and doom posting you must really be tired of the Bible. Lots of gloom and doom forecasted in the Book of Daniel and Revelations, not to mention the doom and gloom Jesus Christ pronounced in Mtthw. 24.

I do not believe for one second that America will escape the reign of the Antichrist. That is not even Biblical, as Christ said he would rule the entire WORLD, and that NO ONE would be able to buy or sell except they have the mark.
People hoping Shoebat is correct might simply be cowardly, alot like the Rapture crowd who think they are going to be wisked away without suffering anything before Christ's SECOND coming (p.s. there is NO THIRD).

 2012/6/17 1:47Profile

 Re: Why Antichrist won't conquer America-Walid Shoebat

Amongst other things I read with some interest what Walid Shoebat shared about the geographical certainties of Biblical prophecies concerning end time events. Its an interesting claim that Biblical prophecies are limited to the geographical region of the near east. However, Walid's understanding seems to be based on a claim that the prophecies concerning end time events were limited in the minds of the men who made those prophecies. This would have to include Jesus Himself if it is true. Walid is essentially claiming that Daniel and others were speaking about the known world so that China for example was necessarily excluded. This is missing the reality of the prophecies and seeing the prophets through a looking glass. Take Job for example he declared at one time, "I will see my redeemer standing on the earth". Now we know that Job died. He wasn't speaking about something he could have known naturally or intelligently by deduction. He was speaking prophetically through his understanding. When Daniel spoke he spoke about four empires. None of which actually existed in the way he prophetically spoke of them at the time he spoke. Even though Babylon existed it was a a mans part which made for the Golden Head. Walid does have a valid point about near eastern geography however. Although he doesn't include those fuller prophecies which are given in Revelations concerning the Mother of Harlots. This is because he is focusing on the eastern side of the Mediterranean or Great sea. He misses most of europe out of the picture ignoring that Daniel's prophecies extend all the way to Britain which is the furthest western boundary of the former Roman Empire, the last of the four empires spoken about.

Of course Walid is attending to his ministry which as it has been pointed out is profitable. It would be cynical to dismiss what he has shared altogether simply because he is making a profit for himself. Were this application true then we would have to reject Balaam who though he loved money, also gave one of the clearest prophecies concerning the coming Messiah. If you were to Reject Balaam you would have to reject the Branch as well.

As to American and Walid's claim that America can repent and thereby be saved from tribulation, may be simply missing the reality of God's judgment coming on American. I don't think it is accurate to speak of the tribulation of American as though it had anything to do with biblical prophecies of end time events leading up to or having a reality fixed in the fulfilment of biblical prophecies about the man of sin and Jerusalem. I do see that America as with the whole earth is included in mystery babylon. China has been doing many similar abominations as American has for nearly as many years. The difference between them in this sense is that American has millions of Jews in its sanctuary. America was founded just a few hundred years ago on a singular basis. Namely faith in Christ. China may well have as many true saints as has America yet their faith is continuously tested by a nation which has developed over 4000 years first demonically and lastly in rejection of God.

I believe that America as well as a number of countries have become Babylon, a great city. Not Babylon, the Great City. These countries are easily understood because they are those countries which have embraced American popular culture with all of its appalling consequences. Homosexuality and the love of money, as well as the resultant shedding of innocent blood, being at the forefront of those things embraced. I also believe that America is in one sense unique. It is the largest sanctuary for Jews outside Israel in the whole world. In this sense it more fully reflects Babylon the city of Nebuchadnezzar than any other country. It needs to be understood why this king of Babylon was given the name Righteous King. Why was he The Golden Head? Why was his reign and the reign of his son and Darius, like a great tree giving shade to many? Who were the many?

Yes I do think that tribulation is coming upon America, but it is coming and should be understood to be from the hand of God. If not how will those who love the Lord Jesus minister to the instrument of God's judgement unto the salvation of souls or a great harvest for our God and King? If we simply see Islam we will have missed the point and we wont be able to win them for Christ. We will end up fighting them with weapons of war. Then we will lose our faith. Then What?

 2012/6/17 5:35

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 Re: The selling of doves. Where is your comfort?


And here we have it.

2 Kings 24:3-4

Surely at the command of the LORD it came upon Judah, to remove them from His sight because of the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he had done, and also for THE INNOCENT BLOOD WHICH HE SHED, for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; AND THE LORD WOULD NOT FORGIVE.

Just like in Kings, we can see the Lord holding back His Hand for the sake of His elect, but to say it's not ever going to come? I don't think so. He didn't spare His own from the judgement, what makes America so special?

 2012/6/17 23:18Profile

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