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dkr777
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 Can a Child Molester Inherit the Kingdom of God?

Today a man I knew very well who has a large family and was a professing Christian was sentenced to 19 years in prison for molesting 5 young girls under the age of 13 over a few years.

He was also an elder of the church we attended (and after we left) and was committing these crimes while we were attending the church around 10 years ago.

I apologize for this thread's topic, but on a theological understanding, I am trying to wrap my mind around this. While in my own life I have personally walked through repentance of sexual sin in my life, it did not come to this level of breaking the law of the land.

I guess my theological question is, how can a man in his position commit such an incredible sin, and still profess Salvation in Christ and be an elder in a local church as well?

Was he a Judas, a "false convert"? or was he saved during his acts of sin and believed that God would forgive Him after he committed this devious act towards these young girls.

Does a theological position encourage one to sin and think it's "ok" because I'm really saved still or does one person who sins like this just was 'never saved' or 'would lose his salvation'???

I know I'm bringing up alot of controversial theological topics but in all reality, I need to understand the truth Biblically on this because it really happened close to home.

Thanks,
dkr777

 2012/5/26 0:51Profile
Miccah
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 Re: Can a Child Molester Inherit the Kingdom of God?

You asked,

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Can a Child Molester Inherit the Kingdom of God?




Answer: Yes.


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 2012/5/26 1:14Profile
onemite
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 Re: Can a Child Molester Inherit the Kingdom of God?

Hi dkr-

This subject most definitely causes us to look at what we believe and why. It's very important too. All these answers are in the word of God. He is above all things a loving and JUST GOD wanting none to perish. When I find myself needing to compartmentalize things in black and white but cannot, I am reminded that God is always just.

Miccah is right, a child molester can inherit the kingdom of God. They can be forgiven just like you or me for our sins and the good news is they can be transformed out of their dead life and be conformed to the image of Christ if they come to the saving knowledge of the truth and repent.


I know that you asked for theology, for which I am not qualified to discuss, but here are the verses that came to my mind as I read what you posted. I am sure that many here will add some good things for you to read.

2 Timothy 2: 19" Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “ The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “ Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.'"

Galatians 5:21-19 "Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God."
"But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness."

1 Cor 6:"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [f]effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."

Mark 9:42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea."


1 Corinthians 5 "But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person."
"For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

1 Corinthians 5:"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife!"
So it is easy to judge that molesting a child would have been considered severely immoral.

Hebrews 10 says, " For we know Him who said, 'Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,' says the Lord. And again, 'The Lord will judge His people.' 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

That being said,I've resolved myself to accept that while I do make judgements pertaining to behavior in the church, I do not make myself judge over a persons eternal life or death(lest I defile my own heart). I leave that to the Lord, who is truly just.

I hope some of this helps.
I'm convinced of it.

 2012/5/26 3:23Profile









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I guess my theological question is, how can a man in his position commit such an incredible sin, and still profess Salvation in Christ and be an elder in a local church as well?



If this man repents from his sin then God is just and righteous to cleanse him from all unrighteousness. Grievous as this account is in its implications for the children and even this man, his family and church, it is the Lord's name which is brought down in the minds of many as a consequence.

Regarding whether or not this man was somehow false is a mistaken question because his conversion would have preceded these crimes. Moreover he may never really have know deliverance from lust in his life. His problems could have simmered away drawing him ever closer to evil actions. Had he judged himself concerning his mind, when he had he chance he would not have come to this place at all. Becoming an elder would have made more certain his guilt was found out now rather than not being found out. I don't mean this in regards to authorities or governments of men; I mean found out by the other elders and brethren for Christ's sake.

From the beginning his marriage to a woman may well have temporarily restrained him. In the end, even now he could continue "in his mind," and his condition when the Lord returns may be no better than in the hour he was uncovered. He may even repent with real sorrow and brokenness. Who knows! One thing is clear. He is found out. This gives him an opportunity in bitterness of his soul to make restitution of letters and in that the Lord may be comprehended as ever merciful and faithful for his family, brethren and church. For the little girls a more difficult labour may be required. The Lord have mercy.



 2012/5/26 3:29
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Does a theological position encourage one to sin and think it's "ok" because I'm really saved still or does one person who sins like this just was 'never saved' or 'would lose his salvation'???



This seems to be a common default question in an attempt to resolve such matters, but I think it is unhelpful. This question does not help God’s people move towards an understanding of the actual sin problem, or of the solution, or of the prevention. And even if we do happen to know the sinner’s rationality or his final destiny, nothing will change. If we determine that he was hell-bound anyway, we will simply write off the culprit and absolve ourselves of any responsibility in the matter. Child molestation is a serious evil that affects everyone.

For now I merely offer some questions to consider:

1) What predisposes some people to become addicted to sexual exploitation of children?

2) Who “out there” can help us grow in our understanding, and how can we avail ourselves to those resources? (This question prevents God’s people from drawing from their own uninformed opinions and superstitious notions)

3) What children are more vulnerable to sexual exploitation?

4) What is there about a Christian church family that enables such sin problems to flourish unchecked, and that allows the people to remain in denial about their sinfulness?

5) What changes among God’s people are needed in order for it to become a repentant community, to restore and strengthen the bonds of family relationships – and also expose falseness of any kind among their people. (remembering that the church is typically an ideal hideout for any unchecked sin … oh…. …. and why is that?)

6) What has God given his people through Christ, which can deliver them from besetting sin problems and make them, together, a strong deterrent against sin?


In view of the answers to such questions, how effective our our "prevention policies"?


Diane




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 2012/5/26 8:08Profile









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What is very disappointing in churches like this is that no one had "discernment". That no one got a word of knowledge, as we see in the book of Acts. That none of the other elders nor the pastor nor any mature Christian was in a position to discern through the Spirit that something was going on with this man.
Many times we hear people say After the fact - "I had an uncomfortable feeling around him." and the such - but the churches haven't been taught on how to use this discernment in a helpful way. It doesn't help these girls to say afterward that some had a "creepy feeling inside", and the other elders and pastors would be or should have been used of GOD, if this had been a Church that knew His voice or 'gifts' and would know how and what to do about the discernment given.
Was GOD not able to expose before all of this happened? I believe He is always faithful - but He needs an open vessel 'in' the church and the church needs to stop fearing that true discernment is 'judging' or unloving.
The fault was not GOD's.

 2012/5/26 9:59
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I completely agree with JiG.


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 2012/5/26 11:50Profile
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Can you see yourself as unclean as this man? Then you will know that he can be forgiven. And you will know there is healing for the ones he's hurt.

*edit* Here is a link to the story of another 'terrible' man who was known as the Son of Sam killer. He now calls him self the Son of Hope:

http://www.thesonofhope.com/david.html


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Another hard issue with these things is the responsibility sometimes has to fall on the wife of such a man, if she's aware of something being sinful in her husband's life and he's in any position of leadership as well - as in 'preventative measures' ordered by The LORD, individually.
Since The Word warns us that in the last days these things will only increase, we do need to be more careful than ever to walk in the fear of The LORD and circumspect, but this too falls upon the wife, if she knows at all that her husband is having trouble in any area. Even if he's a treasurer of a church and a thief - or etc - her first responsibility is to GOD and His Church.
If he's involved with pornography and she knows it - she is obliged to GOD and His Church and others, above her own safety, to protect others as she's led by GOD. She needs to approach her husband asking that a third party be involved in his problem and if that doesn't work - then she needs to take it to the pastor or whatever elder type man in the church that GOD tells her to go to about it, after much prayer.
I've seen this carried out the Matthew 18 way by a wife and the Church was spared being deceived, or worse, but the man did not repent, though the Church was one of the most compassionate, forgiving of Churches - he got seven times worse instead and had to be removed from membership.
It is a tough time to be a NT Christian. We truly do need to get back to the model of His Word.

 2012/5/26 13:23
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 Re: Can a Child Molester Inherit the Kingdom of God?

QUOTE: "Today a man I knew very well who has a large family and was a professing Christian was sentenced to 19 years in prison for molesting 5 young girls under the age of 13 over a few years."==DKR777




I think the key word here is PROFESSING. He was/is a PROFESSING Christian. I can walk into a donut shop and profess myself to be a donut. In time, i can even make MYSELF believe i am one if i want to.

 2012/5/26 15:10Profile





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