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 Are we on the brink of Apostacy?

In every generation we see certain patterns in Christianity. Indeed these same patterns can be found in the Old Testament with the children of Israel. Time and again the children of Israel would re-discover the Word of God and the Spirit of God and they would pull down the high places and they would turn back to God? Are we living in such a time as that? Will this be one more cycle? Could this be last cycle?

These are important questions. Many will not even like the questions to be asked. Why would that be? Well, it would go to the root of who we are and what we are working towards. If Proverbs tell us " Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set: (Prov 22:28) and we have indeed removed them, then the only solution is to regain our " first love." Everything else can be in place but if we have left our first love, if we are operating without the burning passion of the Holy Spirit, then we simply going through the motions. The church has to come back to its first love, it must come back to Jesus. Jesus is the center of everything. It's a love for Him, it's a passion for Him, it's a dedication to Him that changes everything.

Below is part one of a piece by Tozer entitled " At the brink of Apostacy." .....................................

2Ti 3:5-7 having a form of godliness, but denying the power of it; even turn away from these. (6) For of these are those who creep into houses and lead captive silly women loaded with sins, led away with different kinds of lusts, (7) ever learning and never able to come to the full knowledge of the truth.

The Evangelical church in America is facing some serious hazards that threaten to bring it to the brink of apostacy. My prayer is that it is not too late for an awakening that will lead to successful reformation. My use of the term " Evangelical," includes churches that are fundamental, full Gospel, holiness, Anabaptist and Pentecostal-all Evangelical churches that believe the Bible and proclaim Jesus Christ to be the only Savior of the world. I have nothing to say to any other church.

It is amazing to me how divided is the Evangelical church in America. A stanza of the hymn " Onward Christian soldiers," by Sabine-Gould (1834-1924) says it as it ought to be:

Like a mighty army
Moves the Church of God;
Brothers we are treading
Where the Saints have trod;
We are not divided
All one body we
One in hope and doctrine
One in charity

The meaning of the words in this hymn is where God would have us stand as His Church in this generation. Let me go out on a limb a little bit and prophesy. I see the time coming when all the holy men whose eyes have been opened by the Holy Spirit will desert worldly Evangelicalism, one by one. The house will be left desolate and there will not be a man of God, a man in whom the Holy Spirit dwells, left among them.

I hear Jesus saying.....Mat 23:37-38 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to her, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you would not! (38) Behold, your house is left to you desolate.

As the Church now stands, the man who sees this condition of worldly evangelicalism is written off as somewhat fanatical. But the day is coming when the house will be left desolate and there will not be a man of God among them. I would like to live long enough to watch this develop and see how things turn out. I would like to live to see the time when the men and woman of God-holy, separated and spiritually enlightened-walk out of the evangelical church and form a group of their own; when they get off the sinking ship and let her go down in the brackish and worldliness and form a new ark to ride out the storm ( Tozer, The Dangers of a shallow faith)

I wonder what Tozer would have made of the days we now live? Do you think his prophesy has or is in the process of coming to pass? Is the house already desolate? Are men coming out as Tozer prophesied?

 2012/5/22 18:32









 Re: Are we on the brink of Apostacy?

Hi Brother. I don't believe we're "on the brink" but half way into it and have been for at least 30 yrs but the second half of the falling away, or the next part - will be when those that claim His Name come against the Saints in a very literal way - siding with the powers of this world against His Sheep and sending them to slaughter.
History will repeat itself, when 'the church' joins the governing forces of this world against His Own, but on a much larger scale.

I don't know what Tozer's eschatology was - so I'm not sure what he meant by forming "a new ark to ride out the storm".

GOD Bless you, Brother Frank!

 2012/5/23 5:41
Lysa
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 Re: Are we on the brink of Apostacy?

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Tozer:
As the Church now stands, the man who sees this condition of worldly evangelicalism is written off as somewhat fanatical. But the day is coming when the house will be left desolate and there will not be a man of God among them. I would like to live long enough to watch this develop and see how things turn out. I would like to live to see the time when the men and woman of God-holy, separated and spiritually enlightened-walk out of the evangelical church and form a group of their own; when they get off the sinking ship and let her go down in the brackish and worldliness and form a new ark to ride out the storm ( Tozer, The Dangers of a shallow faith)


I learned from my own backsliding years ago, brother that sin (apostasy) starts in the mind many, many years before anyone might see actually sin in a person’s life. I guess you could say that the enemy was wooing that person secretly long before anything happened.

I agree with Jesus-is-God that this falling away has been going on for years and we are just beginning to see the ramifications of being wooed and are not through it yet. I truly believe that this is the beginning of the separation of the men from the boys, so to speak.

Derek Prince talks about “the fifth column,” in God’s people and in the church... the enemy cannot overcome God’s people or the church from the outside (a straight on fight) but only through planting the enemy inside the city, a fifth column. And that is my own personal experience as well. Google “the fifth column,” it was a real battle plan in Europe years ago.

Got to go to work, it’s something we all need to “receive the love of the truth” about ourselves to see if there be any wicked way in me.

God bless you brother,
Lisa


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 2012/5/23 6:05Profile









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I agree with both Lysa and JIG about not being on the brink, this was written over 50 years ago and Tozer is even bold enough to say that he was about to prophesy. Tozer, I believe, was speaking about "Evangelicalism," or one could say Christendom. What he was prophesying was that there would be a time that Spirit filled believers would walk out on the vehicle of Evangelicalism, out from underneath its umberella. It may become more apparent when I post part two :) ..............bro Frank

 2012/5/23 9:31









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I find it interesting that Greg has posted an article on the end times church by David Wilkerson. Both these threads compliment one another. In essence Wilkerson is saying that the church in America is not the first century church of the New Testsament. Tozer just saw the apostacy of the American church 40 years earlier. We are living in its reality today. God grant that a remnant will arise out of America to follow the lamb whereever he goes.

Bearmaster.

 2012/5/23 11:18
murrcolr
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 Re: Are we on the brink of Apostacy?

Quote: I wonder what Tozer would have made of the days we now live? Do you think his prophesy has or is in the process of coming to pass? Is the house already desolate? Are men coming out as Tozer prophesied?

It doesn't really matter what Tozer would think or say but God did warn us through that man and that what matters.

Is the house desolate? I remember hearing these words many get upset when I say them but I heard these words from heaven "the church is dead" for me we are not on the brink of Apostacy we are in the time off the Apostacy...

But right after God spoke to me regarding the condition of the church he went on to inform me of a Move of God... Now those words I heard tie in with the vision your relation in Wales some what... That God planned to raise up a people not just one or two men but a whole body of people that would do the work of the ministry, they are called "a victorious people" now these people are going to be raised up to face the anti christ... please understand at that time when God spoke to me I had not any formed theogly as I had attend a church twice so please don't let your doctrine get in the way of what will happen....


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 2012/5/23 11:24Profile









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Amen Murrcolr, here is a quote from David Wilkerson from a post by Greg this morning, it ties into what you are saying and Bearmaster noticed it too..........

"The Lord is preparing a powerful yet humble army of shepherds after His own heart and also a remnant congregation of hungry sheep who have turned away from the deadness and sin of the modern church. The scene is being set for that church which will be hot, not lukewarm-and it will rock the very foundations of hell.
No power on earth will be able to ignore or despise it!"

............bro Frank

 2012/5/23 11:29









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Amen, Brother Colin - Daniel states that they will win many to righteousness, do exploits, and Joel 2:28-32 - and be persecuted and killed - or as John wrote - they'll love not their lives unto the death. Yes, they'll be "despised", yet gloriously represent Him Whom they love more than life.
GOD Bless!

 2012/5/23 11:36









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Yes bro Colin,

I definately see the connection between what the Lord showed Martin ( interestingly enough he comes from Lougher in Wales, the seat of the great revival)I see the connection between Tozer and Ravenhill and Wilkerson, my cousin, you, myself, many on this site, hundreds of people on my own site from all obver the world. The Lord speaks to His people, praise His name, whether they are well known or not known, He speaks through His people.....bro Frank

 2012/5/23 11:41









 Re: Are we on the brink of Apostacy?

It isn't beginning, it is not half way either, having begun at the latter part of the 19th century, the end time apostasy is almost entirely complete. Only after the rapture will people begin to recognize that they themselves were part of the apostasy, but with so few missing and they themselves left behind, most will just simply write the event off.

OJ

 2012/5/23 11:58





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