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"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11


SI Moderator - brother Greg

 2012/5/10 15:06Profile


Love it... there is a wealth of Biblical wisdom in Dr. Sproul's writings that have gone largely untapped on this forum.

I was reading an article this morning in Table Talk magazine that Dr Sproul wrote about unity among the Body. I will post it as soon as they put it online. Usually takes a few weeks from publication to make it online.


 2012/5/10 16:06


Dear friends, there is a great many of us that would sincerely appreciate if when posting articles by R.C. Sproul that you specify, in the Title, Sr. or Jr..

Thank you much!

 2012/5/11 2:47


Why? It's good to know which one... but whats the big deal? A "a great many of us"?

Just curious.


PS: Sproul Sr never puts "Sr" on things he authors, so unless it says Jr... it's the elder.

 2012/5/11 6:55


Sproul Sr never puts "Sr" on things he authors, so unless it says Jr... it's the elder.

That works. Thanks!

but whats the big deal?

Ethics. Neither David Ravenhill nor Gary Wilkerson, just for two, would ever allow the reading public to think that their father's articles were written by themselves and the readers appreciate that integrity and that "Jr" does add that to his name.

A "a great many of us"?

The number that read-only is much greater than those that post here and of those, many are discussing these topics in their churches and on other forums or blogs.

Appreciate your last line.

 2012/5/11 11:56


"To live all of life coram Deo is to live a life of integrity."

Integrity is a beautiful word. I see it as honesty and transparency - 'realness', whether at home, out with co-workers or with The Church. Amen.

 2012/5/11 12:02


Fair enough.

Like I said... RC Jr puts 'Jr' on his stuff. Dad doesnt.


 2012/5/11 12:03


But I'd also like to say to both of you dear Brothers that I don't follow either father nor son and for differing reasons for both.

RC Sr. is quoted as saying that Arminians are "barely saved".
He's flip-flopped on eschatology until he became a partial-preterist and he's certainly a cesstationist.
I can bare some calvinism, but there are some things that I can't bare ... or is it "bear"? Never could get those two words right.

I won't get in "Jr's" reputation but I do have at least 20 links regarding his life story and why I was a bit upset with the last post written by him.

We can agree to disagree but there should be more discretion as to whom we post on here, because being tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine is not helping the Church be less "soulish" - which false doctrine is.

The Church down south that I'm a member of, does not say such things, that I've quoted in my 2nd paragraph and the Community Revival that they're a part of next week includes a Methodist Church and I don't know how many penecostal churches and Baptist - though I'm not Reformed, they are.

With all of His Love, Barely Saved me :)

 2012/5/11 16:30


Bear in mind that a) you cant rely on things found on the internet, b) many allegation in regards to JR were found to be fraudulant, c) he did confess publicly to foolishness on his behalf in his younger adult life... and sumbmitted himself to church discipline and was forgiven.

He has repented of his foolishness, and I've not heard of one person who is not convinced that he has matured in the Lord and has changed dramatically over the past decade.

So it's not really something that should be brought up on a public forum like this... especially since I doubt anyone here was personally involved or know any details.

Even alluding to it without giving any details is wrong. Actually, it's worse.

We already have one accuser who constantly reminds us and accuses us of our sins. We dont need more.


 2012/5/11 17:01


Are Arminians "barely saved" in your understanding? which came from RC Sr..

And the "allegations" as you call them about Jr were facts.

If he's repented, that would be wonderful, but repented of which part[s]?

I am not an accuser of the brethren, but saying that Arminians are barely saved would be. As well as saying that miracles have ceased puts many of us in a bad light. I also don't believe that the PCA is partial preterist.

This reminds me of the Sola Scriptura thread, in that, either our doctrine is formed by Scripture Only or the teachings of men. We need to be Bereans with all of the teachers out there - and now more than ever and not follow anyone blindly, regardless of how big their name is.

I am all for unity, as I am all for my former town having a 5 day Community Wide Revival with the town's Reformed Church with them all as well, but here - the contentions are always over which teachers people follow and it's quite upsetting. They won't be quoting "teachers" at that Revival - of that I'm sure.

I've been in every Christian denomination over the last 36 yrs and have held to the same doctrine for all of these yrs and do not throw out "allegations". I gave no "details" though they are on the official records that are online and no one's history is a secret when you are in the ministry. It's been 'less' than a decade since these things came to light and I pray he has straightened out his beliefs and all, but does he also believe that Arminians are barely saved, now that he's under the Ligioner logo?

Reading about "integrity" from the OP - that should be a part of what we express with our lives as well. Our lives should be an open book, post salvation.
And Integrity in doctrine has become something that is sorely lacking in this last days church and that's what scares many of us away. When the fear of man or the following of man, pushes that Scriptural-doctrinal integrity aside, then we are on dangerous ground and if you want to bring up Satan - it is he that would seperate us all - not 'truth', nor our histories and that's what grieves my heart, more than you'll ever know, this side of Heaven. This apostasy that we're seeing is caused by a falling away from Truth and Ephesians 4 sets the responsibility of keeping us from being tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine on the pastors and teachers, of who the highest form of intergrity is required. They need to see that they get His Sheep 'through' these last days and not say that we're not in the last days.

GOD Bless you and yours - with my prayers!

 2012/5/11 17:52

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