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"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11


I recently heard a prophetic word that described an angelic visitation.
Of course, I am all for angelic visitations. Both the Old and New
Testament offer plenty of examples of angels appearing to people
to deliver heavenly messages. But this angel apparently had a
creative name. Its name was supposedly "Safe Passage."

It grieves me that we have to go around this mountain yet again in
the body of Christ. Wasn´t the controversy over Emma - the female
angel who purportedly started the modern-day prophetic movement -
enough to put an end to this sort of nonsense? Apparently not.

Let me be clear: There is no angel named Emma and there is no
angel named Safe Passage - and it´s assignment is not to escort
you safely into new opportunities or to clear fearsome corners
and honor your unsung courage.

However, if you Google the keywords "angel safe passage," you
might see where a misguided prophetic pen could draw such
erroneous inspiration. There´s a Safe Passage playing card that´s
a prominent "white angel" in a Dungeons & Dragons-style game.
In this context, "Safe Passage" is a sorcerer. On the more benign
side, "Safe Passage" was the title of a script for a 1997 episode
of Touched by an Angel. Either way, there is no God-sent angel
named Safe Passage.

It just so happened that when I stumbled upon the so-called
revelation of this angel named Safe Passage I was already
studying the topic of angels. In fact, I was in the midst of reading
Dr. Lester Sumrall´s Angels to Help You for a second time.
Sumrall offered abundant Scripture about the reality of angels,
the categories of angels-including their names and ranks - what
angels do, what angels know, angels and prophecy, what kind of
people receive angelic service, and much more.

Angels are real. Angels are mentioned 108 times in the Old
Testament and 165 times in the New Testament. Angels are
messengers. Angels are innumerable. The Bible mentions three
angels by name: Michael, Gabriel and Lucifer. But beyond that,
you have to go to religions like Zoroastrianism to find the names
of angels.

Zoroastrianism, also called Mazdaism, is a religion based on a
self-styled prophet named Zoroaster (also known as Avestan or
Zarathustra). Zoroastrianism was once among the largest religions
in the world, a political power in pre-Islamic Iran. Mazdaism believers
prayed to angels like Ameretat, Asha Vahishta and Vohu Mano
for protection.

In modern times, the New Age movement has an A-to-Z list of
named angels, some of which are supposedly rooted in Scripture.
There´s Abdiel, the professed "Angel of Faith." At the end of the
New Age list, you´ll find Zuriel, the "Angel of Harmony" who has
dominion over the sun sign of Libra.

As you can see, false teaching about angels has been circulating
the world since before Christ was born and well after He ascended
to the right hand of the Father. False teachings about angels was
an issue in the early church and it´s an issue in the end-time
church. "And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into
an angel of light" (2 Cor. 11:14).

Paul had an apostolic message for those who hyper-focused on
angels and their "teachings" at the expense of exalting Christ.
Paul was so bold as to say that if he - or an angel from heaven -
preached any other gospel than the gospel of Christ he should
be accursed (Gal. 1:8). Those are pretty strong words and ones
that should be heeded before we preach sermons or pen articles
that exalt angels.

Paul also said, "Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight
in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things
which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and
not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished
and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase
that is from God" (Col. 2:18-19).

Matthew Henry, an 18th century minister whose well-known
commentary provides an exhaustive verse-by-verse study of the
Bible, gets to the root of such angel exaltation: "They advanced
those notions to gratify their own carnal fancy, and were fond of
being thought wiser than other people. Pride is at the bottom of
a great many errors and corruptions, and even of many evil
practices, which have great show and appearance of humility."

Yes, angels are ministering spirits sent forth to minister to those
who will inherit salvation (Heb. 1:14). That´s us! Angels are sent
to execute God´s Word. By revelation of the Holy Spirit, David
wrote, "Bless the Lord, you His angels, who excel in strength,
who do His word, heeding the voice of His word" (Ps.103:20).
Angels stand ready to obey the Word of God and bring it to pass.

Yes, in a way angels may help provide us with safe passage.
When we make the Lord our dwelling place, no evil shall befall us
nor shall any plague come near our dwelling; for He shall give His
angels charge over us, to keep us in all our ways. In their hands
they shall bear us up, lest we dash our foot against a stone
(Psalm 91:9-12). But there is no angel named Safe Passage, at
least none of God´s angels.

One last thought: John mistakenly fell down to worship at the feet
of an angel who had shown him the revelations he recorded in the
book of Revelation. The angel immediately told him to worship
God (Rev. 22:8-9). We don´t know the name of this angel. If it
were important, the Holy Spirit would have revealed it. I suppose
some in the modern church would name him "Revelation," - some
may even claim "Revelation" is a female - and that would be yet
another error.

Let me end with the words of Jesus Himself: "Take heed that no
one deceives you... for false christs and false prophets will rise
and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the
elect" (Mk 13:5; 22). Amen. -Jennifer LeClaire, news editor, Charisma.

SI Moderator - Greg Gordon

 2012/4/18 13:25Profile


Todd Bentley was the great educator/welcoming agent as to how corrupt the prophetic movement had become, and who knew how many of them believed in these angels. Of course, they were fallen angels, but who knew until Todd made it clear, and he took down the entire Elijah List with him. Remember their names.

I wrote this while Todd Bentley was yet on stage at Lakeland. I had been in deep intercession begging God to put and end to him, as he was preparing to take his dog and pony show to Europe. My heart burned with Grief for two days or so, as I had to pray; driven by the holy Spirit.

In the middle of the night, in my home where I live alone, there was a lightening strike right outside my window; an Earthquake that rumbled through my house, and a hoard of demons tightly wrapped in this large whirling sphere that appeared in my room. It was pure evil, and my soul was being sucked into the vortex of it, and I knew I would die!

Somehow, I blurted out ;"I rebuke you in the Name of Jesus!", and it went away. I knew that it was related to the demon hoard at Lakeland, but not sure, until I saw Bentley the next day wandering around like a little lost boy. [ Godtv] He was desperately begging Emma [ his 3 foot gal pal angel with the bags of gold...] to return, as if she had left , and it was as dry as the Sahara on that stage....and, I KNEW IT WAS OVER!

Todd had been withered by the Lord! Hallelujah!
Wednesday, July 30, 2008..[ when the following was written, and posted.

Bentley and the withering. BY THOMAS WATKINS.
There is such a thing as withering. "Jesus saw that the fig tree had no fruit, and He cursed it. Upon return to those parts, they beheld the fig tree, and it had withered, and they marvelled."

[paraphrase].... Lakeland and Bentley have been flourishing, and as much as a splash is concerned, he made a cannonball run, maybe as much as any one man since the venerable Benny Hinn, or even for a brief moment, Billy Graham. He was on every major American news cast....most charismatic leaders have fawned and bowed before him in their glowing accolades and endorsements...and's over.

I believe he became a victim of his own outrageous and pathological lies. His penchant for ever increasing whoppers, and Elijah like encounters, combined with the sorcery like visitations became too much. even his own began to back off a bit. There is right now a revisionist history being written of him...and a vast sanitation of his teachings. They are being edited and revised as we speak.

He has a problem. Of course it is a minor problem, in the beginning, when promises are made. It always is. You just say it.... and it's true! Well, after one hundred and twenty days, and about 30 resurrections from the dead, and possibly 10s of thousands of miraculous healings, there does not seem to be any medical verification on anything! Zero. Nada. Zip. The National media saw to that. [Giraldo, God bless him, saw through him, with hard to conceal chuckles.]

Not withstanding as pathological liars do, is the increase of the fib. Minnows flitter amazingly in the bowl, you are amazed, but Moby Dick emerges and flops into your living room, and he gets your attention. Todd Bentley became his own worst enemy. He could not restrain himself. He had to reach for the Elijah mantle. Conversing with Abraham and the Apostle Paul was not enough. Traveling through time, and God always directing you, audibly was not enough. The great Angel of the Winds of change at his beck and call, protecting and anointing him, was not enough. Tumors exploding out of bodies at his great anointing was not enough. Emma was not enough. Wigglesworth audaciousness was not nearly enough, as he created the gravely ill, and knocked teeth out of the infirmed....with a full mount that would make the WWF swoon....[and that on an old lady!] bam! bam! bam Allah koolia!

But really, there was more to the story than this. It was, and is strong delusion. It was a dividing line, a separate, a harvest, if you will. Many, many of the charismatic leaders of my time, saw something that must have resembled Elijah, in their perceptions. when solid Believers in Jesus saw imps, and demons, our most honored Prophets and Apostles saw light! They lined up to endorse Todd. The great leader of the end time harvest! In a way, they were right...but not in the way they thought. They have been identified, by their embracing of the thing that murders, with the murderer. They have become accomplices, by virtue of association.

Bob Jones, The "Apostolic commission; C. P. Wagner, Dutch sheets, Chuck Pierce, Jim Goll, and all of their crew, [who demand your submission to their perceived authority] Paul Cain, Charisma magazine, the former Lakeland chiefs, All of the Toronto leaders, Randy Clark, Che Ahn, the ambulance of the Assembly of God in Springfield.....on and on. Pastors uncountable, and too many other so called leaders to name. I think of rick Joyner....I am sick to go on. Could someone do a list please, that is a researcher, of the names of the prominent who jumped aboard this ship named Emma?

Soaking prayer, with a pure Hindi doctrine of transcendental guided imagery; the emptying of the mind to translate yourself into the realms of Heaven through focus, and voiding of all conviction to EXPERIENCE....OH TO HAVE A VISION!!! AND OF COURSE , THEY DO!

At this moment, they are trying to convince Scottish believers to open their minds to receiving Angels...and laughter as joy from God. Todd's packing to Europe.

In Luke, the Lord said that the Harvest is the End of the age. He said he would send forth the angels to bundle the wicked.....the tares...for fire. He also said he would separate the righteous , the wheat to take into his storehouse...Heaven. The Harvest is not about the great evangelistic move in the End, is also about the Evil being divided unto judgement. This, is that.

This has been the most obvious unscriptural carnival of parading imps, possibly in the 20th, and 21st centuries. It is more bizarre than Mormonism was ever elevated to in the annals of the magic show. It is so obvious, that babes in Christ know, much less anyone who has actually read the new testament. It is therefore....strong delusion....sent by God! God sent it! To separate the wheat, and the other. "The harvest is the end of the age! Bentley is sent by God, in this sense.

Only a deep repentence coupled with a Godly sorrow will absolve these leaders who endorsed this Liar and false Prophet. The blood of the Lamb will not be trodden on without some retribution. God is not mocked, and that is all Lakeland and Bentley are really about. I do not wish them Firelake.

It is Harvest Time! The last thing I want to say, is that God has heard the many, many persistent cries to stop this dark parade. God had his wait until it came to some maturity, and used it to approve those who are and were faithful to Him, through Bentley's perverted dog and monkey show. I believe it is over in Lakeland, though they are trying to rebuke the blanket over them away. It has become dry, and boring....the kiss of death for any magic and animal show. The music is off key, and the shouts of victory are hollow. time to vamoose! Shim dag doomariah!

On a serious note, the wake of sorrow and confusion left behind is what our prayers should be directed too now. There will be many, many young ones thinking God let them down, or depressed when they are not pumped by the special effects, and adrenaline, thinking that God is a deserter. There will be those numbed by it all...and this maybe the most numerous group of all, and possibly the Devil's intent. Let us ask God to take time out and visit each of these, and reveal to them that this was not Jesus at all, but ancient imposters who desire worship due only Him.

Also, the many who were let down by false hope. It really does make the heart sick.

To the many who sought God for an end to this travesty, and to those who stood against , thank you. It turned out to be a united front, more than the Devil bargained for. Thank you who suffered the backlash of Hell for your stand, and thank you for those who understood the times and seasons; the sheer gravity of the innocent being so clearly devoured by the wolf. Thank you seasoned intercessors, and the young one's too. There is a cost, when approaching an army of 10,000, and you seem to be only 300. The battle is not a fairy tail. This has been real, and costly, with many casualties. Let us not put down our swords yet. Keep praying, as you are burdened. Let us be like Samuel in the face of AGAG! Yip! That's the spirit!

to my fellow soldiers....Brothertom

 2012/4/18 14:05

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I have given this topic and the related Apostolic / Prophetic movement a lot of thought due to some events that I have been close to in the past couple of years. I think the article by Ms. LeClaire is timely. I am very concerned about this movement and where it seems to be leading given the seemingly increasing influence it has in pentecostal realms.

There are some things that I know to be true. First there is a hunger in the hearts of a multitude of people to see the power of God manifest as is recorded in Acts and as has been seen in many of the revivals of history. I am hungry to see this as well.

But I think the problem come when we are focused on the manifestation rather than He from whom the manifestation comes. These signs shall follow them that believe. Believe comes first, manifestation is an outflow. I am afraid the apostolic / prophetic movement has reversed this order. I have been many places where the promise of a "personal word from the Lord" for everyone willing to wait for those who "flow in the prophetic" to minister to them would hold audiences for hours. Some of the words seemed to be right and many of them seemed to flow from the soul realm as people tried to be "prophetic".

Words of wisdom, words of knowledge, and prophecy are all legitimate gifts of the spirit that I have seen in operation and that I have had God use me to deliver. But it seems to me the A/P movement takes the focus off of God and puts it on the manifestation. We should be seeking God and drawing near to Him. When we do this we will begin to hear and have His heart. His love and desire to minister to a person will flow through us as His representatives and the Holy Spirit within us can then prompt us that He desires to minister to that person through us. It is then that the legitimate ministry of the gifts of the Spirit flow.

The same is true of angelic visitations and dreams and visions. I have heard people say, "God must really love me for he gave me two visions and three words this week." I have seen the mark of spirituality become how often a person has a visitation or a dream. But this is a perversion in my opinion. I have had three dreams and one vision in my lifetime that I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt were from God. But I cannot let that be the mark of spirituality or of my perception of the love of God for me or the Holy Spirit within me. We are called to walk by faith. To try to live from experience and manifestation to experience and manifestation will produce only instability and immaturity and potentially grave deception and error. To live and walk by faith is what we have been called to do.

We need to be firmly grounded in the Word of God. We need to study to show ourselves approved.... We need to be men and women who spend quantity time with God. We need to be filled with the Spirit. When these things work together we grow up to mature man and women of God.

I know that there are many, many people in the A/P movement who love God, are born again, and want with their whole heart to follow Him in purity and sincerity. But I fear that the A/P movement is headed down the wrong road and is becoming increasingly separated from the true gospel. I fear the consequences of that separation.

I am still studying and processing all of these things. I am definitely not trying to speak evil of any brother or sister. But I am definitely concerned about the movement as a whole.


 2012/4/27 15:55Profile


Thank you brotherTom - I had a similar thing happen and know of others too.

'In the middle of the night, in my home where I live alone, there was a lightening strike right outside my window; an Earthquake that rumbled through my house, and a hoard of demons tightly wrapped in this large whirling sphere that appeared in my room. It was pure evil, and my soul was being sucked into the vortex of it, and I knew I would die!"

 2012/4/27 16:55

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