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| [revival] GEORGE FOX - Too RADICAL!! - Andrew Strom|
GEORGE FOX - Too RADICAL!!
Andrew Strom:- A reader wrote to me recently about the radical
ministry of George Fox from centuries ago. Here was a man who
feared nothing, who walked the earth in leather clothes, who was
so against the organized religion of his day that he called church
buildings "steeple houses" and frightened off many a "hireling" in
the charge thereof - before preaching to the congregation himself!!
There has rarely been an anointed Reformer or Revivalist as radical
as George Fox.
As reader 'Tom' wrote to me:
"I have read a number of items on revival, but to my knowledge, no
one has referenced George Fox who lived in the 1600s in England
during a tumultuous time. He spent times in jail for his outspoken
faith and because he challenged the clergy of the day. His teaching
was the most practical and uncompromising I have encountered
on the matter of holiness and regeneration.
An interesting thing about him and perhaps the reason he goes
unnoticed, is that his ministry mirrors that of the book of Acts,
except that his foes are not Judaism but apostate Christianity.
In other words, his time is contemporary in many ways with ours.
Because of this, many may avoid him since he was entirely
separated from organized religion!"
GEORGE FOX - the HOLY RADICAL
-by David Smithers.
In the year of 1647, a large man with piercing eyes named George
Fox started preaching throughout the towns and villages of England.
He prayed and fasted often, traveling with no other companion but
his Bible. He proclaimed a gospel of purity, power and repentance.
When George Fox began preaching, many churches were dead
and bound in man-made traditions and formalism. When the Church
drifts into formalism, the world drifts into further ungodliness. The
methods and appearance of George Fox to some, seemed quite
offensive and extreme. It is sometimes necessary for God's
prophets to be unconventional in order to thoroughly awaken the
indifferent and hard hearted.
Soon after George Fox began to preach, he had a remarkable
spiritual experience that lasted fourteen days. A certain Mr. Brown,
while on his death bed prophesied many great things concerning
Fox. "When this man was buried," says Fox, "a great work of the
Lord fell on me." During this mighty baptism of the Spirit, Fox
received a remarkable gift of discernment. "He seemed to be able
to read the character of men by looking at them." Miraculous
healings also accompanied his ministry. Through prayer and the
laying on of hands, the sick were often healed and devils were
cast out to the glory of Christ. When George Fox preached men
would shake and tremble. "The name Quaker was given to Fox
and his followers because of the quaking of the men who came
to scoff but stayed to pray." This remarkable power seemed to
accompany the preaching of Fox wherever he went.
Fox preached that Jesus Christ is the author of a faith which
purifies and gives victory over sin. He fervently exhorted men to
pursue complete holiness rather than empty religious ceremonies.
As a result, he was often beaten, stoned and driven out of town.
It is estimated that perhaps no other man since the time of the
Reformation was persecuted and imprisoned as often as George
Fox. He usually went about the country on foot, dressed in his
famous suit of leather clothes, which it is believed he made
himself. He often slept outside under a tree or in some haystack.
Fox also often pointed out that what was commonly called the
Church was only a building. He boldly declared that only the
fervent believers of Christ were the living stones of the true Church.
"Above all George Fox excelled in prayer." It was his habit to wait
in silence for the movement of the Holy Spirit and then begin to
pray, causing whole congregations to be shaken and humbled
under the hand of God Almighty. "As he prayed the power of God
came down in such a marvelous manner the very building seemed
to rock." Through the ministry of George Fox, a glimmer of Apostolic
power was revealed to seventeenth century England. He was a man
of the Spirit in an age that emphasized theological and scriptural
accuracy at the expense of the power of the Holy Ghost. He always
stressed the importance of a Spirit filled life and refused to let dead
orthodoxy be a veil for the works of the flesh.
If we as believers are content with a gospel that merely comforts
our conscience and perseveres our traditions, then we are also
content to forsake the gospel of Christ and the Apostles. God
help us to truly seek the kind of praying and preaching that will
once again make men tremble in the presence of Jesus Christ.
SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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| Re: [revival] GEORGE FOX - Too RADICAL!! - Andrew Strom|
From Fox`s Journal chapter 2
"Now I was come up in spirit through the flaming sword, into the paradise of God. All things were new; and all the creation gave unto me another smell than before, beyond what words can utter. I knew nothing but pureness, and innocency, and righteousness; being renewed into the image of God by Christ Jesus, to the state of Adam, which he was in before he fell. The creation was opened to me; and it was showed me how all things had their names given them according to their nature and virtue.
I was at a stand in my mind whether I should practise physic for the good of mankind, seeing the nature and virtues of things were so opened to me by the Lord. But I was immediately taken up in spirit to see into another or more steadfast state than Adam's innocency, even into a state in Christ Jesus that should never fall. And the Lord showed me that such as were faithful to Him, in the power and light of Christ, should come up into that state in which Adam was before he fell; in which the admirable works of the creation, and the virtues thereof, may be known, through the openings of that divine Word of wisdom and power by which they were made."
Fox was a holiness teacher of the genuine sort. If you read the above with discernment you will see that he claimed that those in Christ are sinless and are kept from falling. Because he claimed to be sinless he was hounded by carnal believers who said that no man but Christ was without sin.
If he came along on this forum today, how would he be received? Would he be told he was deceiving himself? Would he be snubbed instead of stoned?
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He would be told "be careful brother" there's "no second blessing", "oh no we are in trouble your teaching christian perfection", "entire sanctification is a false doctrine" and most of his post wouldn't be replied to because they would be about holiness.
Krautfrau that's what's going to preached in the next "Move of God", don't be discouraged "only be strong and courageous"
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"most of his post wouldn't be replied to because they would be about holiness"
Thanks so much for your encouraging words Colin. It never ceases to amaze me how people can miss what preachers like Fox were really saying. Chambers is another. People believe what they want to believe and if a preacher is popular then they just accept them rather than really hear them. Holiness is a popular subject unless you get to the real message.
How long O Lord how long?
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Quote: Holiness is a popular subject unless you get to the real message.
Yes it popular as long as it works based.... The Devil will offer little resistance to the believer who will try to live a Holy life in his own strength in fact he wants the believer's to live that "type" or style of Christianity.
Sanctification (Holiness) by faith now that's a different matter, there is very strong resistance to this truth... For a believer who has been sanctified by faith is a great threat to him and his Kingdom.
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Yes indeed and the clearer the message the more the persecution and suffering, like that of Goerge Fox who was frequently repeatedly beaten and left for dead, but was enabled to rise up and carry on his way.
If we believe in sanctification by faith there is no limit to what we can do as our faith is in the everlasting power of God to do His will on earth as it is in heaven.
Colin, just out of interest, do you see the three stages that Fox taught ie three blessings rather than two?
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I think we should be careful with holding up George Fox as a model for Christians to follow. I think there is a lot of romanticism concerning him, especially in revival circles, because of his over-the-top lifestyle and practices. At the surface level, what he did "preaches" well. I think he did some positive things that were good, and in some sense, he is an inspiration.
But remove the romantic fog that surrounds him, and I think you'll find a man who is somebody that those who wish to become mature in their faith would do well to distance themselves altogether from. George Fox claimed divine prophetic revelation for just about everything he said and did. Yet some of his most basic teachings were contradictory to basic Biblical Christianity.
In my opinion, George Fox should be regarded as something more akin to a false prophet than as a model of piety and Christ like ministry. Do a little research. Read some things he actually taught and actually did. Use some real discnerment. Compare what he taught to what the holy apostles and prophets of our faith taught. Compare his actions to theirs. Think critically. And if you do so, I believe you will see through this fog.
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KJ I have studied his writings for many years, and what others thought about him at the time. He was certainly a prophet but then you would not see it as you don`t believe a man can walk perfectly. I guess one doesn`t if one continues to sin.
What exactly do you mean by "Yet some of his most basic teachings were contradictory to basic Biblical Christianity."
We only see in scripture what the Lord reveals to us and it is only those who stand on the Holy hill who see Him face to face and have more than the surface meaning of scripture opened.
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The problem with George Fox is he didn't really care what the Scriptures taught. He only cared what his "inner light" taught him. His understanding of Scripture was hardly deep. It wasn't even surface level.
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Fox knew the scriptures inside out and quoted them all the time.He believed that they must be revealed to us through the Holy Spirit and not through our minds alone. How do you know what you read is the truth? There is something more than just mans mind involved and without that light there is no understanding like the way the Jews did not understand although they knew the scriptures well.
So how about sayng where he was wrong over certain scriptures? If you have only read him superficially I would remedy that before taking anyone on who knows his teaching inside out and has compared it with scripture very closely.
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