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 Re: The other side of dreams

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Many, of old, pretended to know the mind of God by dreams, and were so full of them that they almost made God's people forget his name



Almost?? they did make the people forget his name. Forget his name for what? BAAL.

Baal means Lord! Ungers Bible Dictionary - says, and I quote "Lord is not a divine title and shouldn't have been used to replace the Creator's name.

This is exactly what Jeremiah is saying. Today the whole world refers to the Creator of heaven and earth as Lord.

I've raised this issue before and I was heavily persecuted by some members. We are following the same mistakes our fathers made, It doesn't have to be that way.
We have tons and tons of information through technology but very few care to look it up.

Staff, savannah's post is not intended to deter; but to beware.

 2012/4/4 22:34









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John Bunyon was locked up in prison for many years. We know from his writings he knew the Bible. But was he not a dreamer?

 2012/4/4 22:41
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 Re: Praise God for Giving Dreams

I would say that it might NOT be only the Christians who have visions, given that there have been reports coming out of Muslim countries of late of Muslim people have visions of Jesus, leading to their conversions. If those reports are true.

I have had some dreams that i have no one to interpret for me. Any Josephs among us?

 2012/4/5 1:03Profile
lindi1208
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 Re: Praise God for giving dreams

Hi Staff

You are right brother about dreams being bad mouthed mainly because of falsehood therefore the baby is thrown out with the bath water . I believe in this way of communication with my Heavenly Father. I am prayerful about it I have other dreams that are meaningless too but the key is discerning which dreams are from above. The Holy Spirit is the one who reveals and teaches all things most people reject dreams because they do not understand their symbols or their meaning. Some dreams are direct some are indirect and one has to pray for understanding. The most important thing with dreams or visions is that they should never usurp the word of God and should always be in line with scripture.

This may help Trekker . I am not an interpreter but I can discern when God is speaking to me through a dream. I find with most of the dreams there are symbols which I instantly recognise as representing something like in my earlier post I mentioned oil and fruit these symbolised the Holy Spirit in both the dreams. I find praying for the interpretation helps. I don't have to always sometimes I just know. I have dreams wereby I pray in that dream especially when being attacked I wake up knowing the Holy Spirit was interceding for me all the prayers are prayed in Jesus Mighty Name. I sing and worship in dreams. So I do find it hard to dismiss dreams as another way God communicates with His children. There is a link on this thread think it might be Staff who put it but it had great examples about God using dreams I was encouraged as I read through the examples and many were similar to my own experiences especially the car dream. Maybe you can share an example of a dream then we can prayerfully interpret it or you could email the dream if you wish.

Savannah I agree with those scriptures about false dreams. God has spoken to me directly before regarding a procephy given to me by a brother who had a dream and was prophesying to me that something was going to come to pass but my inner man could not receive this prophesy after praying God led me to Jeremiah 23 to show that this was not from Him instantly I was at peace and believed God and His word over a dream. I am sharing this so as to show that whatever we do as God's children His word should reign in us for He has written it in our hearts. He gave us the Holy Spirit to guide us and His Spirit will always be in agreement with The Father and the Son and the Word. We need to pray and ask for discernment when we are not sure about something. To completely rule out dreams as a way God communicates with His Children and reject it out rightly is not wise. There are false prophecys , teachings, gifts, and dreams but does it mean that God doesn't use these ways to speak to us today certainly not!

Love in Christ


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 2012/4/5 8:37Profile
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 Re: Praise God for Giving Dreams

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"Also Christians have dreams that are not from God "

I would like to expand on this concept a bit - not sure what staff had in mind, but will share how I understand it.

I have had dreams that have troubled me. They were the sort where I yielded to temptation and sinned. In time I came to recognize that these dreams were a reflection of what is hidden in the recesses of my heart. "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." Once I became aware of this reality, I had to bring this to the LORD for forgiveness and ask Him to cleanse me from the evil that lurks there.

My experience for whatever it is worth.

ginnyrose


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 2012/4/5 8:49Profile
lindi1208
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 Re: Praise God for giving dreams

Amen Ginnyrose that is a very powerful testimony. Out of the abundance of heart the mouth speaks forth! I believe that as we grow and mature during our waking hours we may be able control our thoughts and actions and take captive every thought that is disobedient to Christ and cast it down making it obedient to Christ. However when we go to sleep we have no control then we dream. How beautiful to hear your words so encouraging Praise be to God

Job 33 14 For God speaks in one way, and in two, though man does not perceive it.
15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falls on men, while they slumber on their beds,
16 then he opens the ears of men and terrifies them with warnings,
17 that he may turn man aside from his deed and conceal pride from a man;
18 he keeps back his soul from the pit, his life from perishing by the sword.

Here God reveals to us the things which we fail to hear or push aside during the day or our disobedience then when we sleep he terrifies in our dreams to get our attention. Don't you just love the Word!

Bless you Ginnyrose


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 2012/4/5 9:10Profile









 Re: Praise God for Giving Dreams

"Dreams are a legitimate,biblical way God ministers to the body.It is also wrong to criticize or mock people who have dreams from God.
I think it is time to take a dream from God seriously and God may warn,bless,protect or edify you and the body of Christ through this wonderful way God communicates with us,
Praise God for Dreams."....Staff

I just passed my 40th year birthday since being baptized in the Holy Spirit. I have been given revelation, including dreams since that beginning year. [1972].

"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams,

"And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy." Joel.

Even though this is a major promise from God for us, and even though the prophetic spirit is firmly embedded in New and Old Testament history and doctrine, and is firmly woven within the fabric of the New Testament Church, it is often rejected and despised.

In some arenas it is taught that these prophetic experiences and gifts are from the Devil. This is very sad. Mostly, it has been driven out of the Church, because for these gifts of revelation to function, you must have body life in our community and meetings; and the pulpit driven, completely controlled meetings cannot allow body life, for in doing so, the Pastors and leaders would lose status.

Dreams in themselves can be dangerous, as they can be very edifying. I dream often, but only a very few dreams of the many are from God. This is my dividing line; the Presence of the Holy Spirit within the Dream. I experience the Father's fruit as I dream; Peace, love, and sometimes glory.

We must understand that this is God's way of speaking to us; a Word if you will. I have had dreams that sincerely seemed to be from God, but later realized they were not, and may have been demonic attack. Dreams must do two things as a witness; Agree with the Spirit and the Word of God. They must line up with the Bible.

Recently I had a sister tell me of her dead relative rise up and talk to her...with deformed features. Well, she believed it to be from God....I assured her it was not. God's dreams will warn, encourage, give wisdom, direction, encouragement for the future, and rebuke even.

They will not bring fear or confusion. It is wise, if you have a dream that you don't get, to share in counsel, but only with Godly and Mature Christian Believers; more than just one...perhaps 3 or 4,....because the enemy can influence our dreams sometimes. Again,Let the Spirit and the Bible sort it out. Thank you Staff for posting this, and obviously, I too support your sentiments.







 2012/4/5 10:27
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"Here God reveals to us the things which we fail to hear or push aside during the day or our disobedience then when we sleep he terrifies in our dreams to get our attention. Don't you just love the Word!"

lindi, you said it better then I did!

God bless.


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 2012/4/5 10:36Profile
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 Re: Praise God for Giving Dreams

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Dreams are a legitimate,biblical way God ministers to the body.It is also wrong to criticize or mock people who have dreams from God.
I think it is time to take a dream from God seriously and God may warn,bless,protect or edify you and the body of Christ through this wonderful way God communicates with us,
Praise God for Dreams,



I believe God can still speak to people in Dreams. But in new Covenant when a believer has a regenerated Spirit (Born again) he receives the Holy Spirit. The Spirit reveals to him the Mind of God. Lets see what Paul is saying to Corinthians,

1 Corinthians 2-10:-
For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, [e]combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.


Thus the Holy Spirit reveals to believers the mind of God. God does not need to speak to a true believer in dreams anymore if the believer is mature enough to hear the Spirit. But many Christians today are not still babies who still drink Milk and cannot take solid meat. So God has to still speak to them in dreams.

So if someone comes and tells what God spoke to him in dreams and another person tells me what Spirit revealed to him in Spirit, I would rather trust what the spirit revealed than what other person has dreamed about.

Numbers 12:6:-
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision.
I shall speak with him in a dream.
“Not so, with My servant Moses,
He is faithful in all My household;
With him I speak mouth to mouth,
Even openly, and not in dark sayings,
And he beholds the form of the LORD.

So what God reveals to people in Heart (through Holy Spirit) is much higher standard than what a person sees in Vision or dream.





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I believe Peter speaking to the crowd in Acts 2 said the young men would see visions and old men dream dreams. This is new covenant. Because we cannot wrap our western minds around this does not make it less true. God dies speak in dreams.

Are Moslems coming to faith in Christ by dreams and visions? How about entire mosques? Is there a full scale revival taking place in Iran by the appearing of the man in white? Read the book Miraculous Moments by Jerry Trousdale and some questions may be answered.

Some will say that these things can't be documented. But then niether could the resurrection of Jesus. As I recall there is still an empty tomb in Jerusalem.

 2012/4/5 12:14





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