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RobertW
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Is it wise to come in to these forums calling out heretics and calling down the moderators? I see a couple of the accounts are <3 weeks old. This is a discussion forum where a wide variety of views are put forth, many of which we do not agree with or condone. We reason from the scriptures. If a person gets out of line sufficiently they are dealt with and banned if necessary. It has happened many times over the years. Our reaction to false doctrine can become sin if we are not careful. Especially when making sweeping judgments about whole denominations that very well could include true believers. Please read over these rules and determine if this forum is right for you. We expect all that post here to comply with these. It is not a lot to ask. Kind Regards, Robert


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Robert Wurtz II

 2012/3/16 18:39Profile









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"Here is part of a post by SI moderator Paul West on an older thread about SDA:"

BTW - this is an all around good thread where brothers Greg Gordon, Paul West, and others post good information about the false teachings of SDA.

Here is something else SI moderator Paul West shared there about the SDA's:

"Bringing up a movement's failed prophecies is a [i]coup de grace[/i] for any discussion. Like the Jehovah Witnesses, they would just as well sweep these lethal embarassments under the rug of history, but, alas, God will not allow it. I always find it interesting that false religious systems are so constrained to issue "kingdom arrival" prophecies. Such is the grace of God! "

It is good to see these brothers and SI moderators standing up against cults instead of for them...

Respectfully -Jim

 2012/3/16 18:54
EvangelTam
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Joined: 2011/1/29
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Hey all,

thanks for your responses, I actually had no clue things were that serious. I will pray over your responses and advice!

In Christ
Evangel

 2012/3/17 18:01Profile





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