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UntoBabes
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 The Hegelian principle.



One of the most influential thinkers of 19 century Germany is considered the father of the social, political, and religious change.

To begin to even try to understand the thought of the Hegelian dialect we must give a simple example in order to ease the concept .

Imagine yourself the father of a family who lived in 1980 America.
As you get home from work the family gathers around the TV for some refreshments. You gather around your favorite show” Little House on the Prairie” You are not necessarily a practicing believer of the Christian faith, yet you hold to conservative thought. The idea of having a gay priest, pastor, or school teacher in you beautiful America is absolutely out of the question.
You know there are some gay people out there but they are hidden as they should be.
But here pops on the TV screen a program designed to implement fair and balanced views on things.
The TV show host has introduced two guests. One is a priest and the other is a practicing homosexual man. Each is supposed to represent an extreme or an apposite side of the spectrum . But as you see the gay man. admitting to leading an open homosexual lifestyle you are shocked that this would even be discussed on public television. You are about to turn off the TV but the socking nature of such an attempt keeps you from doing so. You want to know what such one has to say. As you hear the religious leader justifying and backing up from the Scriptures his beliefs against gay lifestyle you totally agree, but now you are eager to listen to the other side to see what kind of justification backs up such daring attempt. As you listen to all the false justification for practicing such lifestyle you do not buy any of them. You are now even more angry. Just about time the TV host ends the program with the promise to continue the discussion tomorrow night the same time.
You begin to discuss with your family the issue that suddenly have presented itself to your social climate warning and educating them about such abnormal behavior. As to tomorrow comes you carry your anger to your work environment and discuss the issue with your coworkers who are as upset as you are at such daring act. You all agree that these people are free to do with themselves what they wish but why even make an appearance on national TV and invade you living room with their propaganda.
Yet with all of you rage you just can not wait for that TV show to make its second appearance, but guess what !Since no one can be shocked twice over discovering the same fact, you are no longer shocked. You are now expecting that gay man to show up again and try to give his reasons of what he does.
You do not know this but you have actually evolved in your mind. Last night you were shocked but tonight you are not because in order for someone to be truly shocked he must be introduced to a body of knowledge for the first time. Last night you did not believe if someone would have told you that a homosexual made a public appearance on national TV but tonight you believe it. You are angry the same but you believe it none the less.
Something happened to you that you are not aware of. You have, without your knowledge moved one step away from your previous position. Your beliefs are the same but you yourself are not.


……to be continued


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Fifi

 2012/3/7 13:02Profile









 Re: The Hegelian principle.


UntoBabes, glad to see you post.

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Bless you, much!






 2012/3/7 13:46









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I believe it is called a little yeast leavens the whole loaf. Hitler or Nietche said if you tell a lie often people are bound to believe it. Or become numb to the truth.with the repetition to the lie. It can be homosexuality presented as an alternate life style. Abortion we family planning. Islam ad a peaceful religion. Living together before marriage. And do forth.

The alarming thing is when Christians biy into this then the truth if Christ is diluted. There was a stink raised a few days ago when Mike Huckabee and another Christian called a Baptist church to account. The church rented out space to moslems to use while their mosque was being built. This was in Tennessee. The heart of the Bible belt. Pastor of the church defended his action. Said they had a good relation with the moslems and everybody should mind their own business. It seems this was an evangelical church.

It appears we are in the age of relativism and more of this fruit will be born.

Blaibe Scogin

 2012/3/7 14:25
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 Re: The Hegelian principle.

Thank you for this.

Joch


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J Kruger

 2012/3/7 14:31Profile









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I think christendom is so busy pointing out these things to cover her own shame. The Hegelian principle has devoured chrsitendom to the point that most church goers are completely lost. Things that the apostles would rail against are normal, and in many cases the foundation of modern christendom (catholic,protestant,evangelical,etc).

Paul said division in the body is carnal, yet the entire denominational system is built in violation to this principal. Jesus warned us not to use religious titles and said we are all brethren but the entire system is built upon a false clergy-laity divide and titles (often made up such as senior pastor). Paul said we are all living stones and showed us how we may prophesy, sing a hymn, teach the word, and use other giftings in the assembly but the system sits us in pews and silences the saints under roman catholic bondage. John said do not love the world, but (to quote ravenhill) your pastor is probably the worldliest guy you know.

Paul said NOT TO JUDGE those outside the church (homosexuals, abortionists, muslims, etc) but TO JUDGE those inside the church (the greedy, porn addicted pastor, etc) and excommunicate them.

Yet today, the last days christendom accepts all these things as normal. This is much more damning. The negative focus of the OP is about the homosexual yet one damnable 'priest' will most likely send more people to hell in his life than every homosexual combined.

Judgment must begin in the house of God.

In Christ -Jim

 2012/3/7 14:47
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Correct me if I’m wrong. The illustrations here are of sinners who are definitely not one of us: the homosexual and the Muslim. The message is that when we cease being shocked over their brazen infiltration into our “space”, then we are showing evidence of being dulled and desensitized. Yet, in Jesus’ parables it is the reverse. The vile sinners become the ones who are honored in his eyes. The point is that the righteous dedicated ones have become dulled about their OWN sin – not the other guy’s sins.

Perhaps a more biblically oriented analogy would put the homosexual as our modern “Samaritan” and the Baptist as the Levite.
What do you think?


Diane


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 2012/3/7 14:56Profile









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"Perhaps a more biblically oriented analogy would put the homosexual as our modern “Samaritan” and the Baptist as the Levite.
What do you think? "

I think roadsign and I are a lot more alike then i would have other thought..

my friend John once wrote speaking of a christan right "family group"

"They are the true enemy…I hope you can see that. All the forces of Islam and Secularism can’t really do anything to harm the Church. Can these things harm society? Maybe.


The Church?…no way. They have no power over the Church.


UNLESS…the Church has confused Society with the Kingdom…then suddenly all these enemy ‘-isms’ are empowered and can do much harm.


But the [christian right group in question] …there’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing right before our eyes, perverting the Kingdom, Christian calling and vocation, the definition of Salt and Light, and blatantly teaching other Christians to violate a host of Biblical injunctions regarding how we are to live…as much as possible at peace, with humility and love.

Sacralism breeds war, hate and pride, brings death and serves hell."


In Christ -Jim

 2012/3/7 14:59
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I think roadsign and I are a lot more alike then i would have other thought..



Let’s put this to the test: How about a parable for our modern church called “The Good Homosexual” (ie, the "Good Samaritan"). What do you think, brother? I’d say: if that creates a shockwave – then we can understand how Jesus’ parable came to the religiously righteous in his day. But why should that title shock us? Even a homosexual may be better at loving his neighbor than God’s own chosen ones today?

Yes?


Diane


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 2012/3/7 15:06Profile
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Even a homosexual may be better at loving his neighbor than God’s own chosen ones today?



Hey I don't think you can use this parable and I kind of feel it is disrespect to a wonderful parable by Jesus. Jesus did not use a tax collector or prostitute in this parable. Why? By no means he wanted to encourage a life style of a sinner.
He used Samaritans who were socially oppressed people but not open sinners. The reason Jesus took a Samaritan here is he wanted to show the Jews that those people whom you consider socially inferior to you can have better love towards his neighbor.
As a token of respect for what Jesus said, we need to put an end to your comparison. I am kind of hurt to see a believer disrespecting a parable of my Lord.


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 2012/3/7 15:28Profile
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Sree, The point I believe, is not the spiritual condition of the "Samaritan" but that in the eyes of the Jews Samaritans were viewed much like today's homosexual population is viewed by the church - or at least conservatism. The Samaritans were not merely poor oppressed people. They themselves ostracized the Jews - even Jesus! That's serious! Did the disciples not suggest that God call judgment down on them then and there?

To use a homosexual today (like the Samaritan) is SUPPOSED to raise our shackles (be convicting) - to hear such an example used as a point of comparison!

You aren't supposed to like it!

Diane


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