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 Obama; son of Islam?....Raymond Ibrahim..[ well done ]



Many in the media are indignant with Reverend Franklin Graham, head of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. Invited on "Morning Joe" last Tuesday to discuss Christian persecution, the hosts turned the focus to interrogating Graham on whether he thought President Barack Obama was Christian or not.

Though the Reverend concluded that Obama "has said he's a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is," he appeared skeptical, suggesting Obama's policies disagree with Christian principles, and thus earning the full ire of much of the fourth estate.

Intrinsically trivial on many levels, this incident nevertheless brings several important points to the fore.
First, Graham was absolutely right to say that, "under Islamic law, the Muslim world sees Barack Obama as a Muslim, as a son of Islam": according to Sharia, if one's father is Muslim, one automatically becomes Muslim.

In fact, the reason behind last week's church attack in Egypt, when thousands of Muslims tried to torch a church and kill its pastor, is that a Christian girl fled her father after he converted to Islam: she did not want to be Muslim, and was rumored to be hiding in the church.
(This would not be the first time in recent months that churches were attacked on similar rumors.)

Because of this automatic passage of Islam from father to son—with the death penalty for those seeking to apostatize, the condemned Iranian pastor being just the most visible example—and because Obama attended a madrassa (a Muslim religious school) during his youth in Indonesia, many Muslims are convinced that Obama is a "secret" Muslim.

In a Forbes article, "My Muslim President Obama: Why members of the faith see him as one of the flock," writer Asma Gull Hasan elaborates:

[S]ince Election Day, I have been part of more and more conversations with Muslims in which it was either offhandedly agreed that Obama is Muslim or enthusiastically blurted out. In commenting on our new president, "I have to support my fellow Muslim brother," would slip out of my mouth before I had a chance to think twice.

"Well, I know he's not really Muslim," I would quickly add. But if the person I was talking to was Muslim, they would say, "yes he is." …. Most of the Muslims I know (me included) can't seem to accept that Obama is not Muslim. Of the few Muslims I polled who said that Obama is not Muslim, even they conceded that he had ties to Islam….

The rationalistic, Western side of me knows that Obama has denied being Muslim, that his father was non-practicing, that he doesn't attend a mosque. Many Muslims simply say back, "my father's not a strict Muslim either, and I haven't been to a mosque in years." Obama even told The New York Times he could recite the adhan, the Islamic call to prayer, which the vast majority of Muslims, I would guess, do not know well enough to recite. [Read the entire article, which is more eye-opening than the author probably intended.]

Another reason why many Muslims believe Obama is Muslim (a reason Ms. Hasan's article understandably omits) is that, under the Islamic doctrine of taqiyya, Muslims are permitted—in certain contexts even encouraged—to deny being Muslim, if so doing secures them or Islam an advantage.

Accordingly, Islamic history is full of stories of Muslims denying and publicly cursing Islam, even pretending to be Christian, whenever it was strategic.
In other words, if an American president was a secret Muslim, and if he was lying about it, and even if he was secretly working to subvert the U.S. to Islam's advantage —not only would that be justified by Islamic doctrines of loyalty and deception, but it would have ample precedents, stretching back to the dawn of Islam.

Such as when Muhammad commanded a convert from an adversarial tribe to conceal his new Muslim identity and go back to his tribe—which he cajoled with a perfidious "You are my stock and my family, the dearest of men to me"—only to betray them to Islam's invading armies.


Graham further upset "progressive" sensitivities by saying "All I know is under Obama, President Obama, the Muslims of the world, he seems to be more concerned about them than the Christians that are being murdered in the Muslim countries," adding that "Islam has gotten a free pass under Obama."


Yet who can deny this? Whether by expunging any reference to Islam in U.S. security documents, or enabling Muslim persecution of Christians, or ordering NASA to make Muslims "feel good" about themselves, or bowing to the anti-Christian Saudi king—the President has made his partiality for Islam very clear: Islam is undoubtedly getting a "free pass" under Obama.


What Franklin Graham's critics fail to understand is that, when it comes to Obama's religious identity, the Reverend probably has Jesus' dictum in mind: "By their fruits shall ye know them"—that is, pro-Islamic actions speak louder than Christian words.

Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and an Associate Fellow at the Middle East Forum.

 2012/2/29 1:08









 Re: Obama; son of Islam?....Raymond Ibrahim..[ well done ]

This article is very penetrating and would certainly explain a lot if the Presidents actions. Even is not admitted publically, Mr. Obama's heart certainly leans toward Islam. Or so it would appear.

The disturbing thing is the American voter may have to choose between a Mormon or a Moslem for President. Both of which are undesirable. At the moment Jesus is looking better. I agree with the psalmist who said better to trust in the Lord than princes.

Blaine Scogin

 2012/2/29 4:27









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This article is very disturbing. I believe the christian right is far more dangerous than islam or any liberal could ever be. A white republican claiming to be a christian, with no fruit to suport it, gets full allegiance from americas sick christendom. Not the black democrat though, we have more "discernment" than to fall for that.

Here is something I wrote a while back.

My American evangelical friends. Have you prayed for president Obama at all? You know, like you use to pray for president Bush on Wednesday nights at steeple house? Have you only grumbled about him instead, maybe even suggested that he is the antichrist, yet never prayed for him. For his marriage, for his family, for his leadership, that he would come to a saving knowledge of faith in Christ Jesus? Such actions seem to be more fitting for a pharisee then a christian.

I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. ~1 Timothy 2:1-6

 2012/2/29 12:10









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"What Franklin Graham's critics fail to understand is that, when it comes to Obama's religious identity, the Reverend probably has Jesus' dictum in mind: "By their fruits shall ye know them"—that is, pro-Islamic actions speak louder than Christian words."

For sure - we all know that Jesus was a greedy, conservative, white middle class republican that started wars for oil and blew up abortion clinics while pursuing the american dream. I learned much 'discernment' in my evangelical church and know the fruit that Jesus taught about... and black democrat aint it. Can I get an amen?

What we need is a good moral, white, bible believing roman catholic in office to bring this country back to 'god'.

-Jim

 2012/2/29 12:16









 Re: Jimfie2sin

Brother I agree with the thrust of your article. I would suggest you refraim from the racial labels. But to answer your question, I do pray for President Obama's salvation. As a matter of fact President Obama stands a greater chance of coming to faith in Christ than Rick Santoriium or Mitt Romney. Both of the republican front runners come out of religious systems that are satanic inspired and demonically controlled. One is a hard core Catholic. The other a hard core Mormon. Both of these are hard to reach with the gospel.

Even if President Obama is a closet Moslem, he may be more open to the gospel than Santoriom.or Romney. So yes, let us pray for the President's salvation.

Blaine Scogin

 2012/2/29 12:31









 Re: Jimdie2sin

Brother please clarify your post. Are you being sourcastic or serious? I will say upfront that racism is a sin. Like I asked, are you being cynical or serious?

Blaine Scogin.

 2012/2/29 13:44
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martyr wrote:
Brother please clarify your post. Are you being sourcastic or serious? I will say upfront that racism is a sin. Like I asked, are you being cynical or serious?


Brother,

He's being sarcastic (as only a democrat can be!!) LOLOL

God bless,
Lisa


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 2012/2/29 13:51Profile









 Re: Lysa

You mean there are such in the forum.......chuckle.......

 2012/2/29 15:08









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I am not a democrat or republican. I long to see Gods people freed from these world systems. To answer blaine, I am serious and sarcastic. Jesus saved me from evangelical christianity and the so called christian right. Before that I believed all of those subtle lies. I live work and minister in one of the most racially divided areas of the country. There is rampant racism in the christian right. There is also rampant idolatry in evangelicalism that thinks Jesus is a republican. That is why so many will vote for a white republican but not a black democrat.. Even if neither bares fruit as a true believer we will still accept the one. To not mention the race issue would be to let my conscience down. Blaine, you know the answer is in prayer and not in men. May Jesus bless you as you pray for our president. Jim

 2012/2/29 15:57









 Re: Jim

Brother your answer was very clear and concise. I do agree and stand with you. Prayer to Jesus is our only answer. Lord bless you much brother

Blaine.

 2012/2/29 16:31





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