Hi John, When any of us posts a question on an open forum, we are going to get all kinds of responses. I see that Lisa is referring to former posts which helps inform her response. She has a valid point: you dont want to be like the sand drifting here and there leaning on peoples opinions. You do want to get grounded in the word and in the God of the word. I re-read your first post here, and in view of your present religious context as you describe it I feel quite strongly that Jesse Penn-Lewis writings can be of valuable help to you in this grounding process. Of course you need to read the bible and trust God, but lets admit, we are all read our bible through a set of lens which itself may need adjusting. Your church context is shaping your lens. And based on your words, I suspect that it is the very lens that Penn-Lewis is addressing and rightly so. For that reason, I believe you could gain needed discernment by reading her book. She encourages you to think - to use your mind. And you need to gain that skill especially in a religious environment that leans towards an over-entanglement in the spirit world - at the expense of ones cognitive facilities - in other words: passivity of the mind. PS I just tried looking for her The Spiritual Warfare book on line because it is shorter and more concise, but I cant find it. But you can purchase it at amazon.com. It may be the easier way to go for you. Ive read a lot of books on spiritual warfare and I still see Penn-Lewis as a needed balance. Diane
Brother I do not know the issues that you are experiencing but I stand with Lisa in her excellent wisdom to you. Read the scripturres and they alone. If you are looking for freedom only Jesus and his word can set you free. No other book by a human author or sermon by a man can do what Jesus has said he can do through his word.Do what Lisa suggested. Get a contemporary tranlation of scripture and pray and read and read and pray. Cry out to God for revelation from his word. Even if it does not come keep reading and praying. I recommend the gospel of John. You camp in that gospel until you see Christ revealed to you. You be tenacious and cling to Jesus. You spend several weeks camping in the words of Jesus and I believe you will find the truth that will set you free.The New Testament is the one book that brought hope and freedom to the persecuted church. It has been the one book that has brought joy to my life. Wi be praying for you.Blaine
Read the scripturres and they alone.
Thanks for the responses i was wondering if i had made the right decision picking it up or not. I actually started to read it more last night and i have got a better understanding of what she is saying now and she makes some very good points and I think she is really trying to point out that we need to beware of spiritual deception in our own lives too to make sure it is tested and examined to be of God according to his word, so i am actually feeling a little better now about it now. I thought at first that she was confusing how to know what is from God at all, but i had read only the first 49 pages or so, now i am seeing it better now. To the rest here on the site i do agree with you about getting in the Bible, i actually am heavily convicted myself that the scriptures can't be as it has been in my life put to the side at the end of the day or before i go to the bed including prayer, I need to put prayer, worship and the scriptures first in my day and not lack luster, but put my whole heart into it. I know i need to do this, but i will admit i am struggling to do so. I have let sports, family, computer, friends and many things get in my way of being alone with the Lord, but i have noticed without His Spirit i don't have much hope to stay being disciplined. I am going to try putting the Lord and his word first in the day before everything and then if reading some other book later or dvd or sermon or whatever then i guess i will do so. But it never would hurt to read only the scripture and to hear from God. Jessie Penn Lewis definitely reveal some deep stuff in their that i think s going to help me. I also bought e.m bounds spiritual warfare, hopefully that will be helpful. Thanks for the responses.
I guess Oswald Chambers and Jessie Penn Lewis were not aware of the persecuted church. But then it probably did not exist in their day. I find it interesting that the suffering church in Iran, Eritrea, and China are sustained by one book alone and that is the Bible. Other than prayer the persecuted church cries for one book, the Bible.It is interesting that the countries that are seeing revival are seeing it through prayer and the word. Here we are with all of this vast theological knowledge and no power.Kind of makes one wonder? I think I will stick with the book that is working for the persecuted. And its not Jessie Penn Lewis.Blaine Scogin
"To be honest with you I always get this presence or feeling when it comes to going to a apostolic church or I guess you call a pentecostal church, it doesn't seem right to me for some reason."Oh your not alone brother. Just that you said you don't feel right when you go to a Pentecostal church, I too have had people tell me that they had a bad feeling about a Pentecostal church that I was thinking of going to. But I dove in head first and I don't regret it. All the feelings that other people were having against it were their feelings of the unknown. What they could not comprehend frightened them. But you see in those days, I was searching for what the early church received at Pentecost, so I was right at home when I walked through those doors.As for this book, read it and see what happens. I am glad that you got your antennas up so that you don't become deceived.Let us know what you got out of the book.God bless
yah i will do, but the pentcostal churches and apostolic churches that i have become to get that feeling were the ones that seemed to focus so much on the gifts of the spirit especially tongues and the baptism of the holy Spirit, to me the main focus should be Christ not necessarily how we benefit so much with certain gifts, not everyone has the same gifts so i think they are wrong that all will have the same gifts. I am not 100 percent sure about all pentecostals, but I think Penn is definitely hitting on the fact that their real and false manifestations of God, and from my understanding I have heard people speak of both of real and false tongues. I actually had a deliverance minister who seemed pretty good biblically, but told me he sensed i had a problem with constipation, no idea where he got that, but he was definitely wrong, and he had a huge list of names for evil spirits that i don't think our in the Bible. I think she also talks about these things. But, anyways the book is pretty good the more i read it and i can't always go by feelings. Brother you very well might be right about reading the Bible alone.
I remember listening to a sermon on here a few weeks back and the speaker said the same thing - think it was Willie Mullan, but I could be wrong.However, although not recalling who the speaker was, I did do one thing - I messaged an old friend, and told him that that particular book which I gave to him a few yrs back (because it was just collecting dust at my home), to burn it because of what this preacher said.Anyway, I can't recall if it was Mullan or not... I think it was, but I could be wrong. But, as soon as I listened to what he briefly said about that book, I recalled that I had given it to this man, and immediately messaged him, apologizing that I gave it to him, and again asking him to burn it. I know he got the message I sent him, but I did not receive any response from him. Anyway, that's what happened to me just a few weeks back.
I think I will stick with the book that is working for the persecuted. And its not Jessie Penn Lewis.
I just re-listened to Mullan's 2 sermons on demonology, but I didn't come across the quote. I think the sermon in my phone though, so when I ever come across it again, I'll toss up the link, and the time in the sermon where the quote can be found, but basically the teacher said that "War on the Saints" was a book that somewhat was glorifying to the powers of darkness.Now, I never read the book myself, but only a few chapters, and it didn't really interest me over a short season so I set it down.I don't know Penn-Lewis, meaning I haven't fully read her material, nor researched her biograhies in any way; and, I haven't heard neither Mr Daniel, Washer, Akanni, Poonen, and some other men of God in our generation quote her material either... And I can say, for what I know thus far, neither did Paris Reidhead, Ian Thomas, Harry Ironside, Vance Havner, Aiden Tozer, and a few others from all the sermons and notes I've collected in the past.Please note, that I'm not attempting to say something negative about Penn-Lewis indirectly, but I am just stating some facts from what I've heard, and haven't heard, from men much more Godly than myself.