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ginnyrose
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 Re: Judgement in the House of God - When to draw the line?

I have no answers...just a few observations.

Illicit sex is the most addictive behavior, even worse then crack which is why scripture has such strong words against it. Under the OT law adulterers were to be stoned, not divorced and put away. Since Jesus came he relaxed this law of capital punishment...Now, why do you think he did that? Is it because He offers a victory that was not possible under the law? Think about that.

Some people say they cannot quit....now if while indulging in it and some were to cry "FIRE!!!!" could they quit? SURE! Well, fire is ahead..Perhaps people need to catch a sense of the reality of hell-fire!

My thoughts when I think of the issue...




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Sandra Miller

 2011/12/21 10:06Profile
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Some people say they cannot quit....now if while indulging in it and some were to cry "FIRE!!!!" could they quit? SURE! Well, fire is ahead..Perhaps people need to catch a sense of the reality of hell-fire!



Thanks ginny, you said it better than I did.

My original point was the people don't see it as a sin, it's a 'weakness' to them.

Let's take this same scenario into the physical realm, what if someone had just a little bit of cancer in their body? Would they not go to the doctor and do everything possible to get it removed or eradicated from their bodies?

Sin is worse than cancer, it has the ability to separate us from the Father forever. These people just don't have a revelation that what they are doing is sin.

The advice in this thread sounds wonderful and even spiritual BUT the Lord didn't tell us to pray for this person (it's already been done), he didn't tell us to counsel this person (it's already been done), He says to "EXPEL the wicked person from among you.” -1 Corinthians 5:13b (Deut. 13:5; 17:7; 19:19; 21:21; 22:21,24; 24:7)

Expel is an action, not a thought.

Peace to all of you!

 2011/12/21 11:07Profile
ginnyrose
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""EXPEL the wicked person from among you.” -1 Corinthians 5:13b"

1Corinthians 5:11-13:

1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

These are sobering words. Sin contaminates; Paul describes it as leaven or yeast. Get a little bit of yeast in your dough and it will rise. Actually, the only way to kill it is to bake it - subject it to high temps. Is there an analogy here?

In our brotherhood we have a brother who is troubled with this sin. He has wrestled with it for a long time. Confession has been made, accountability is part of his routine, counseling has been done, yet... Our leadership has banned him from holding ANY and all church office - he cannot be voted in for any spiritual leadership role, not even for a trustee!

Ahhhh, if people would only recognize how dreadful immorality is, how it effects a person in the long run, how it is so hard to be loosed from its grip; yet Jesus relaxed this rule and since this is the case, there must be deliverance.

God bless, Earl.


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Sandra Miller

 2011/12/21 12:03Profile
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Seems this thread is now more about internet porn.

Men watch internet porn because they like it more than God. Weakness and temptation is a foul excuse. Jesus has won the victory. As long as men hide behind weakness and temptation they'll never have victory. Lust is a sin to flee from, it is not good to face it. Once you face it, you are already looking at it.

 2011/12/21 16:50Profile
AbideinHim
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The Apostle Paul strongly rebuked the Corinthian Church because they were allowing a so called brother within the Church to live in immorality without any consequences.
The object of all church discipline just as in the chastening of the Lord is to bring the brother who has sinned to a place of repentance and restoration.

In the case of a brother than is truly repentant and brokenhearted over his sin, those that are spiritual should restore such a one in the spirit of meekness. (Gal.6:1). God will set those that are bound by internet porn free if they truly want to be delivered and have godly sorry for their sin. Those that are making excuses for their sin will have to dealt with more severe discipline but the purpose is still that they would acknowledge their sin, repent, and be restored to fellowship.

Mike


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 2011/12/21 21:02Profile
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Rev 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

This sin may happen in a church building but not in Christ's purchased church. How can a person be truly born again and be a "whoremonger"? Christ came to deliver. Of course, if a person repents they can be restored.

What disturbs me is the surveys that tell of all the sexual sin that is going on. This is sad and sick. It is either pollsters are lying or the organized church is in trouble.

God's call is to a life of holiness, not wickedness. He has the power to deliver once for all.


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James

 2011/12/21 21:51Profile
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In our age of individualism, we tend to view sin as a problem with particular INDIVIDUALS - while everyone else stands distinct from it. We assume that this particular identified individual is the one who needs to do the changing. Perhaps we offer advice, quote bible verses, or we send them to a therapist.

This individualistic model of care in the social services is being questioned by some researchers. It just doesn’t work well – and for a good reason: By labeling the troubled person as the problem and sending them to experts, the wider problem remains untouched. The actual problem is much bigger than the specific sinner’s issues.

Addictions and maladaptive habits developed through weaknesses in relationships – but that is also the means to victory – a strong consistent relational context. Where relationships are weak and poorly developed, then it is unlikely for change to occur. And everybody is part of the sin problem.

Sadly, our society, including churches, is profoundly deficient in knowledge when it comes to relationships. We can hardly talk about it. So really, we are all part of the problem.

Overall, our churches are not particularly effective change agents – even if they ban the "sinner" for a time. The church today itself is sin sick – even if no one feels sick.

Romans 1 talks about a sin sick society and lists of a number of symptoms. That’s us. Romans 2 talks about a sin sick church. That’s us too. When it comes to the effects of sin, a lot of people are suffering as a result. Many are victims - even as they are agents of their own choices.

So how can we help sinners (AND God’s people) in the road to victory? I share merely what God has called me to do. He said one day when I was agonizing over a falling believer: “The best way you can help him is by giving yourself to me”.

We can’t change people, but we can allow God to change us. That’s where it begins. (See Hebrews 12 - which is about the work of God's corrective judgment in the house of God)

Diane



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 2011/12/21 22:24Profile









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ginnyrose

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Since Jesus came he relaxed this law of capital punishment...Now, why do you think he did that? Is it because He offers a victory that was not possible under the law? Think about that.



ginnyrose, the Messaiah did not relax any part of the Law.
this is what he said... "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." John 8:7

they were all sinners none of them had the authority to pronounce the death sentence. To say he relaxed the Law is not in line with scripture.

 2011/12/23 22:28









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Addictions and maladaptive habits developed through weaknesses in relationships – but that is also the means to victory – a strong consistent relational context. Where relationships are weak and poorly developed, then it is unlikely for change to occur. And everybody is part of the sin problem.

Sadly, our society, including churches, is profoundly deficient in knowledge when it comes to relationships. We can hardly talk about it. So really, we are all part of the problem.



Hope we can disagree and maintain 'relationships' here.

The wording of this quote above is more humanistic than Biblical.

The reason we have such "sin" in the Church in these days is because we've called "sin" by other names - such as "addiction" or any other use of psychological terminology.

Sexual sins are not caused by relationship or relational problems - unless you mean "a true 'relationship' with The LORD."

The couple in the Garden of Eden were our examples that even in a perfect environment, with no dysfunctional relationships to blame - man Will "sin".

Tempted of our own lusts. Sin is sin and we need to take a Sola Scriptura stand on it. Psycho-babble kills as well as the enemy's lies about himself and his 'power', that far too many have 'fallen' over or for.

 2012/1/1 16:44





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