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Trekker
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QUOTE: "He was fired for quietly reading his New Testament in the classroom during his designated breaks. Thus far the Federal courts have upheld the firing."--MARTYR

Unbelievable. Makes me angry. But if he had been reading his Koran that would have been protected as a sacred right. Hypocrites.

 2011/9/15 20:39Profile









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Did you hear about the meat packing plant in Iowa that was ordered by the Feds to give their Moslem workers time off from work to do their prayers? I think this was with pay. I need to do some googling about this case. But I heard about it several months ago

Blaine.

 2011/9/16 16:06
ArtB
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GinnyRose

Okay, I Thank you for the clarification. Idle chatter has no place in the work place.

As for persecution of Christians in the work place. In my field, Construction, I never came across any in the New York Metropolitan area.


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Arthur Biele

 2011/9/16 17:24Profile









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Trekker, the workplace for most of us is dominated by liberal politices and liberal thinking--affirmative action, fairness for women, overly sensitive, etc. Liberals (usually Godless people) will try to trip you up if they can. All a woman has to go is to go HR with a tear in her eye a little sob story, and you are automaticlly guilty--especially if the head of HR is a woman. All of this ultimately comes from our federal government that has basically taken over the workplace. Try to run your business with conservative principals and see what happens. You are fighting extreme political forces in the workplace that are often aligned against conservatives. Then there is all the OSHAA crap like hard hats, safety shoes, orange smocks, safety glasses for construction workers. These people are so bogged down in safety gear, it's a wonder they can get any work done. They have to wear this out in the extreme heat down here in Texas.

A friend of mine who works has worked at Lockheed Martin here in Ft. Worth for 25 years put up a poster in his cubicle that showed how many people were killed in WWI, WWII, etc, and then at the end it showed how many were killed via abortion. He was told to take it down or lose his job. Corporate America is dominted by liberal thought. That's untimately what you're fighting against IMHO.

 2011/9/17 0:47









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I know this may be a little bit off topic, and I hope the OP can forgive me, but I thought you all my find this small businessman's take on hiring employees very interesting:

Robert F., a small-business employer for 22 years, shares the rarely-addressed point of view of the employer:

I own a security firm in a major Western-U.S. city. I have been an employer for 22 years. What a nightmare it is! Few seem to understand why businesses don't want to hire--here's my perspective.

Once I hire someone, I am party to a relationship that is full of risk. What usually happens is the "check harvesting" situation where just enough work is done to extract a paycheck. I am on the hook for matching Social Security tax, medicare tax, city occupational tax, unemployment tax, federal unemployment tax, workers comp insurance and all the abuse that goes along with that system. I have to withold State and Federal income taxes with ridiculous penalties for late payments. Often I will get served with a garnishment or child support levy for an employee, and I am on the hook for all this. If I fail to withold on a garnishment I become liable to pay the debt.

To take one real-life example of many: after all this, the employee can't get along with others, grows a beard and says it's a religious right, needs weekends off because he goes to church and it's descriminatory for me not to give him time off for his beliefs.... soon I'm looking for a way to fire him. Now the rage begins! I am subject to violence, attacks, retribution, slander-- everything all because the employee won't/can't do the job he accepted.

I have been through terminations where I was threatened with a gun, had to call the cops, etc. The usual take is that the police will take action after the homicide spree is done with. My nice Chrysler car got a cinder block thrown throught the window a few years back (oh, but there's no proof it's the guy I fired one week ago who punched his fist throught the window and had the paramedics haul off out of my office.)

Sure, I've had some great employees too--people who I only have good things to say about. I also paid them every cent I owed them and they often got more than their base pay--bonuses, extras, etc. But I could write another two pages on malicious lawsuits. For example, I promote some guy and a woman is burned up because she didn't get it and "it's discrimination." One guy is gay and other employees tease-- my job to step in and mediate and manage the mess and "This is a hatefull workplace-I'm going to be talking to a lawyer."

If I advertise for a job opening, my office fills up with the angry, over-qualified, alcoholic dead-beats and weed smokers... they all have rights of course and I owe them a job. So, Obama says employers need to hire the uenmployed? Yeah, sure! Sorry if I sound bitter-- this is my last year doing this and then I am going solo/free-lance. While I might earn less, I will have my sanity!

Many non-employers will read this and dismiss it as hyperbole or atypical; those of us who have had burdensome payrolls know it is simply realistic. The issues of high costs and multiple risks are societal and cannot be reduced to econometric quantification; the burdens and entitlements built into the labor market are not fully revealed by statistics.

As someone who has experience as an employee, as an entrepreneur who ran a small business with dozen or more employees, and as someone who has spent decades as a self-employed free-lance contractor, I understand the compelling benefits of sole proprietorship in which all labor is subcontracted to other free-lancers/sole proprietors: the taxes, healthcare, insurance and all the rest are the responsibility of each free-lancer/contractor.

This arrangement places a premium on professional conduct: in this world, each sole proprietor agrees to do X work for Y compensation paid in Z timeframe. A focus on entitlement is of no interest to people expecting professional behavior and results. An "entitlement/employee" attitude will quickly alienate those who just need X work done in Y timeframe, and unprofessional work or conduct will result in a loss of future work.

The 1980s song proclaimed "take this job and shove it:" in this era, it's small business owners who are muttering, "take this business and shove it, I'm outta here."

While the dearth of small business hiring mystifies pundits and government officials, it's no mystery to me: I hear from small business owners all the time, and the vast majority are bailing out of their business and the travails of employees, taxes and legal hassles for retirement or a free-lance/contract mode of business.

In this world, security comes not from contractual obligations imposed on employers, but on the quality and professionalism of the work and behavior. Those who mourn the passing of the old era are free to start their own businesses and hire as many people as they want.

 2011/9/17 1:11
jimp
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hi, living in the deep south, i have had no problems at work but i have been retired for a few years. one story that changed my life happened at work... i was working in retail sales on comish. and had a personal rule to never witness while on the clock and while working the holy Spirit prompted me to witness to this older man in my area who was just looking.. i delayed and got an urgent urge to witness to this man and i went to him and asked him if he would die today and went before God would he be sure of heaven or would he maybe go to hell... the man said that he was sure of his salvation and said i was the first person to witness to him in many years... he introduced himself as len ravenhill and we became close friends while he lived in the area.that was many years ago.jimp

 2011/9/17 6:15Profile
EverestoSama
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That's actually a really cool story, Jimp. Glad you shared that. How old were you at the time, if you don't mind me asking?

 2011/9/17 8:55Profile
jimp
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dear everest, i was about 32 so it was 40 years ago.

 2011/9/17 9:21Profile
EverestoSama
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What a great way to start a friendship.

 2011/9/17 9:34Profile
Trekker
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Krispy,

You must have some good kind of job security, cuz i once got written up just for having a bible tract on my desk. The worst part about it was that the person who was offended at the bible tract and reported me was a member of a local Lutheran church! And we wonder why people say that the churches are full of hypocrites...

 2011/9/24 6:28Profile





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