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gtenigma
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 Food Sacrificed to Idols

Hello all.
As I was studying and thinking about the subject "Food Sacrificed to Idols".
Why does Paul in 1 Cor 8 say that it is ok to eat food offered to idols. Later on, he says that it is ok to eat this food because they are just idols.

But in Acts 21.25 and in Rev 2.14 and Rev 2.20, it says that we should never eat such food. Luke and John could have made the same assumptions as Paul but they did now. Why not?

I know that any time, I come across things that seems like contradiction, it is really my ignorance and not a contradiction. Help me out here guys because I am struggling with this. This issue is affecting me spiritually because it is preventing me from really accepting Paul's writings.

Thank You in advance.
Aaron
P.S
One more question. Could you point me to some sermons or writings (study) which validates the Authenticity of the New Testament, especially Paul's writings. I have no problem accepting the Old Testament because Lord Jesus approved it, but my problem is the New Testament.


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Arun

 2004/12/16 6:41Profile
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 Re: Food Sacrificed to Idols

Paul speaks that it is ok to eat UNCLEAN animals not
animals sacrificed to idols.He was refering to animals which were declared unclean in the Old Testament Covenant(like Pork).But the New Covenant declares that what was unclean in the Old was no-longer in the new.Remember when Jesus said it's not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person but what comes out of it.
But eating meat SACRIFICED to idols and blood is forbidden.
Hope this is of help.


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Mark Kenny

 2004/12/16 13:10Profile
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[b]gtenigma[/b]:

Concerning authenticity of Paul's writings, at least it seems 2 Peter 3:16 considers his letters along with "other Scriptures". There are many books that discuss NT authenticity.

Concerning food offered to idols, the apparent contradiction is explained by Paul himself.

[b]1.[/b] 1 Cor. 8 indicates that they can be eaten because those "gods" are not real and are nothing at all:

[i]"So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. For even if there are socalled gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live" (vv. 4-6).[/i]

[b]2.[/b] Paul seems to contradict himself in 1 Cor. 10, saying that these food are really offered to demons and we should not participate in anything related to demons.

[i]"Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? Do I mean then that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons" (vv.18-20).[/i]

[b]3.[/b] However, Paul quickly points out that meat purchased from the markets can be freely eaten (even historical evidence said that most often than not, meat sold in Corinthian markets were offered as sacrifices).

Thus, 1. Cor 10:25 [i]"Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience."[/i]

[b]4.[/b] Yet for the sake of the conscience of the unbelievers, one should refrain from eating the meat.

1 Cor. 10:27-29, [i]"If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake– the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours."[/i]

[b]5.[/b] Likewise, we must take care of the conscience of the weak brothers and exercise care with our freedom.

[i]"Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol's temple, won't he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall" (1 Cor. 8:10-13).[/i]

In general, I think Paul is saying you can eat all food [i]from the market.[/i] But refrain from participating in idolatry by eating [i]in the temple.[/i] We also have to be careful when we exercise our freedom in this matter, not for the sake of our own conscience, but for the weak brothers and unbelievers.


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 Re: Food Sacrificed to Idols

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One more question. Could you point me to some sermons or writings (study) which validates the Authenticity of the New Testament, especially Paul's writings. I have no problem accepting the Old Testament because Lord Jesus approved it, but my problem is the New Testament.


Just a quick comment on this part. The Lord pre-authenticated the 'disciples' writings in His prayer of John 17. [b]Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; (Joh 17:20 KJV)[/b] He had already promised that the Spirit would both [b]teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (Joh 14:26 KJV)[/b] and again later in on the same theme [b]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. (Joh 16:13-14 KJV)[/b] I personally believe the unique receiving of the Spirit that the disciples received in John 20:22 was part of this provision. So that gives us authentication for the disciples. Peter was a disciple and he wrote [b]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2Pe 3:15-16 KJV)[/b] If you follow the logic of this sentence you will see that Peter included all Paul's letters among the collective term 'scripture'.

So we have the Lord pre-authenticating Peter, and Peter post-authenticating Paul. How's that for a start?




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Ron Bailey

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 Re: Food Sacrificed to Idols

Thank You very much guys. This is definitely a good start.
I will have to think about what you guys explained (study and meditate on it) before I make any comments.
Aaron


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Arun

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 Re: Food Sacrificed to Idols

Isn't it strange how it's always Pauls letters that get judged and questioned.I questioned them myself previously.Remember when Paul was converted and the disiples didn't trust him either???I believe that has something to play in the matter.
The fact that an open persecuter of the early church
is converted to a deep relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ plays on the unconscious mind of the reader.Causing the reader to question his autenticy as a follower of Christ.Some kind of faith tester me thinks???Will you truly believe salvation can be given to what is classed as murderers and rapists etc.And forgive them whole heartedly yourself like Christ does.This struck me as I was reading romans chapter 5 awhile ago.What do ye think???


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Mark Kenny

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 Re: Food Sacrificed to Idols

I believe we are not to eat food that is known to have been offed to idols. food offering to idols and such-drink offerings.

 2004/12/16 18:47Profile
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 Re: Food Sacrificed to Idols

I want to Thank You especially Sam and Ron for showing me some of those key verses. It was very insightful when I found out that Peter referred to Paul's writings as scripture. 2Pet3.15 "just as they do the other parts of Scripture-and the result is disaster for them."
This is exactly what I was looking for and I thank the Lord for showing me those exact things that I needed to know. I can now stop searching for books and sermons on this issue because it has been resolved.

Since my conversion two years ago, I do read Paul's writings but I don't sock myself into it like Brother Keith Daniel says. At the same time, I felt convicted by it because I know I was not being true to God's Word. Finally, my conviction caught up to me and I had to finally seek help. And I have to say, you brothers have been a true help to me in this issue.
Thank You again.
Aaron


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Arun

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 Re: Food Sacrificed to Idols

A few thoughts:

The prohibition against "things polluted by idols.." contained in the letter to the Gentiles in Acts was based on the principle..."whatever is not of faith is sin." Acts 15:21. "FOR Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him.." Since the Gentile believers were well aware of the teaching of Moses about the idol food (it was a part of their "theology") and since the practice was a real part of their culture, this could have been a great stumbling block to them, causing many to sin. Since I understand the fulfillment of the law of Moses and since idol food is not relevant to me in the least, there is no need for such a prohibition FOR ME. So..the doctrines given to certain peoples at certain times can seem to contradict even though they do not.

The words about being led by the teachings of Balaam and by Jezebel to eat things sacrificed to idols can be looked at in the same light and can also be understood as what they are...allegorical language concerning God's people "fornicating" or having intercourse with the world and thus becoming "idolaters" and "adulterers". See James 4:4.

I do think most of our perceptions of contradictions in the apostles' teachings come from lack of understanding and not from actuality, as you said.


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