[i]Luis Palau dropped from Welsh revival celebration for his 'evangelical beliefs.'[/i]By Rob James in Cardiff | posted 12/13/2004 8:00 a.m.The Cardiff City Council cancelled a civic reception for internationally renowned evangelist Luis Palau because of his "extreme evangelical beliefs."The cancellation was prompted by Welsh Assembly Government Member Lorraine Barrett's attack on Palau for his stance on homosexuality and other religions. "To fund such an event for a figure who holds extreme views on sensitive social issues is, in my opinion, a terrible way of spending public money," Barrett said. "I am very concerned at some of the views espoused by Mr. Palau, which are very narrow and critical of anyone who does not follow his evangelical beliefs. I think he is a right-wing reactionary individual. I also think it is dodgy mixing religion and politics in this way. I think he and people like Billy Graham exploit vulnerable people."continued at [url=http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/001/7.22.html]'Extreme' Orthodoxy[/url] (www.christianitytoday.com)Mining for my info brought about some great links...[url=http://www.eauk.org/contentmanager/content/wales/new/1904.htm]The legacy of the 1904 Revival[/url]Scroll down on this link and check out the Evan Roberts video clip, short and to the point![url=http://www.1904-revival.com/]http://www.1904-revival.com/[/url]
_________________Mike Balog
According to the Operation World prayer guide, since the Welsh Revival of 1904-05, the region of 2.9 million people has experienced the highest rate of church closings and the largest decline of church attendance in the United Kingdom.
Luis Palau dropped from Welsh revival celebration for his 'evangelical beliefs.
_________________Robert Wurtz II
From all that I've read on that revival I believe you're right but I haven't read all the little peticulars about it. I will exalt my WORD above my name. The very character and essence of who and what God is , is in his word. I've thought long and hard on this and what concerns me is the socially acceptable Jesus being preached today , where evangelicals completely ignore the simple teachings of Jesus Christ. BTW ---Palau ministries is going to Hong Kong in a few months, I believe. A dear friend of mine is speaking there with him. I wonder what happens to a country where they no long want to hear the sound preaching of God's word ?
_________________D.Miller
Hi Neil,Certainly no expert, but that's interesting, had never heard that before regarding Evan Roberts.No pointed questions here (that inflection thing)but did you read about any of the immediate results of that revival? Wouldn't really expect it to continue on until our time, fruit does seem to get spoiled and don't recall any revival that still has fruit lasting until our day.Here's a bit from the links:"The story of the Welsh revival is a story of tens of thousands of changed people - changed not for a period of a few months alone, but rather for a lifetime. They would look back to the events of 1904 as a time of new beginnings. A few of these stories are comparatively well known especially the experience of the young ex-collier Evan Roberts, who became the name most connected with the revival. Others, though unwritten, also left their mark in the years following.I have always been impressed by the stories of the miners who responded in droves to the Christian message of new life. Many were dramatically changed: the story about the pit ponies not being able to understand the swear-free language of the converted miners is an interesting example. It was also reported that management and workers seemed to get on better, although there was some concern that enthusiastic prayer meetings might eat up valuable work time.The effect was also felt in the home. For many mothers, it meant fathers beer money became housekeeping money. It may not have been as spectacular as water into wine, but beer into good food and better clothes was enough of a miracle. It also saw many chronic alcohol problems solved overnight, which although wasnt good news to the publicans, who complained that sales were at an all-time low, was much appreciated by most.For the police, the revival again was good news. Converts tended to see criminal activity as something limited to their past. Of course, police work did include some policing of a few overcrowded religious venues, but I am unaware of any arrests. A now famous cartoon in the Western Mail showed a magistrate being resented with a pair of white gloves - a symbol of no cases to try. The magistrate calls: Whats the meaning of this? The clerk answers: Revival, sir. Quite a few businesses profited. One medical practitioner said that the revival had done him a lot of good. When asked if it had meant more patients, he said no, but he had received £23 due to him, which he had written off the books as hopelessly bad debt. People were being changed into honest citizens.The message of the revival was the possibility of inner change and complete forgiveness (political change wasnt high on the agenda at the time). By giving birth to puritanical honesty, a positive work ethos and personal lives free from the popular addictions of the time, the revival continued to influence Church and society positively for years to come."--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Neil,Did some backtracking to find some more information on Evan Roberts and this revival, knowing that it has come up fairly often around here. Came across an old thread you wrote:[i]" Re: My four favorite worms of revival They are David Brainerd, Duncan Campbell, Evan Roberts and Frank Bartleman. All four men I have either read about extensively or in the case of Messrs. Campbell listened to his messages over and over.As I have to wake up at an insanely early hour tommrrow, I can only say the common denominator between these 4 men is this; that their prayer life was robust and vigourous , so much so that the world would term them "insane" or "obssessive", Praise God for such insanity!Oh to be a fool for Christ! Insanely sold out and in love with the Lord!!HalleLuYah!!Neil[/i]So I am curious about what brought you to that conclusion or 'criticism", again, just honest questions brother.
Land of the Red Dragon
Dear Pastor Mint,First off a warm welcome to you. Thank you so much for your input, nothing like a first hand account.The situation you describe is truly sad, much like our own country in so many ways, certainly seems to be concentrated in your area.
unusual stronghold of pride and rebellion in the people, stubbornness and wilfulness that is extreme
Thank you Pastor Mint for explaining what is going on in Wales. It's my "home" country and the first immigrant in my family from Wales was a preacher who ended up in Virginia as a missionary in the 1750s.My how Wales is in need of revival. I had heard that things had declined significantly but was unaware of the degree of the depravity. It grieves my heart and I will certainly remember Wales in prayer.Home of the Red Dragon. Very interesting. How little I know of Wales. I live just outside Babylon (i.e. Washington D.C.). The American pride is so palpable in the spirit that it just breaks my heart. There's no real fear of God here and all of the confidence of most folks is in the flesh. Would you pray for revival for Washington D.C.? We certainly need the hand of God to move in this area as well.Pastor Mint we're glad to have you on board. Will be praying for you in Wales. If you have any specific requests, feel free to Email me.
_________________Ed Pugh
I'm not at my desk or library, but off the top of my head, I believe it was R. B. Jones, Rhys Bevan Jones, who made mention of this, and what I read Brother Mint wrote above, that discipleship was not a strong aspect of Evan's.what WAS a strong element in Evans life was his ministry of secret prayer and this is what I so admire. I also admire his public ministry, there was no pride there, the man would just implore people with an unction that could only come of the annointing of the Holy Ghost.I believe the opinion that he didnt preach the Word or disciple, is in the book, An Instrument of Revival.