"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11
| Fellowship With Demons by Robert Wurtz II|
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. (1 Corinthians 10:20)
We live in an age where almost everything is being redefined; good is being called evil and evil is being called good. Indeed, three hundred years of Christian influence in the West is fading fast. Full-on paganism is resulting. This means that things that were obvious just 40 years ago are no longer obvious. The 1950's and 60's ushered in a rebellion that threatens to overthrow any semblance of good and right. That was over 50 years ago now.
Paying attention to the demonic
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (1 Timothy 4:1)
There are many ways this passage can be applied in the circumstances of life and history. Yet, as time goes on this passage rings more and more true. 'Some' indeed are departing from the faith and others are fellowshipping with devils. You may ask, "What are you talking about?" The only reason you would ask that is because society has become so dark that many Christians can't even tell the difference between the things of God and the earthly, sensual, and demonic. They have been seduced by devils into entertaining evil things until they can no longer make distinction between what is good and what is evil. They may carry all the same tags, "Christian, 'Spirit-filled', believer, leader, disciple, pastor, teacher, Pentecostal, etc." and not even have the ability to discern when something or someone comes of evil. They are seduced and being seduced. In fact, they may have become a host for the propagation of more evil, diabolic doctrines and ideas. Evil spirits are animating these false teachers adding to their power to deceive.
Time Sanctifies Sin and Satan?
The world is under the influence of Satan. The Kingdom of God is a place where the people are under the influence of Jesus Christ. These kingdoms are mutually exclusive and not compatible. That seems like common sense, but obviously it is not. The enemy has used subtle means to infiltrate Christian culture (if there is such a thing). Main stream Christian radio today in the United States is so secular sounding that I struggle to tell the difference between it and its songs and it and the world. Its as if the masses are so duped, that they will swallow down almost anything that the devil puts the label 'Christian' on. If its says 'Christian' it is suddenly sanctified, no matter how worldly or diabolic it was before. In fact, the things we were taught as children were evil are now in vogue. It is in vogue to dress like a prostitute, for example. All it took was about 30 years for the props, figures, and means of identity to become sterilized by time itself (I guess). I mean, does time sanctify a thing? Time seems to have sanctified Rock and Roll and all manor of secular music. Time seems to have sanctified worldly and diabolic TV and movies. Time sanctified the Ouija board and vampirism. Just give it time and hell itself will be sanctified I suppose. And no one dare say anything! Can time sanctify? If it was evil 50 years ago it is STILL evil. Time sanctifies nothing.
Expressing Affection for the World
Do not love the world or the things in the world. wIf anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (1 John 2:15)
The first thing we have to do is get the leaders and influences in the mainstream right with God. How can a local guy preach separation and holiness when so much of the so-called Christian mainstream emulates the world at almost every turn? Seriously. Do we somehow think that because such and such Christian band or such and such ministry is doing a thing that God is letting us off the hook? Would you jump off a cliff if someone else was doing it? But today the AUTHORITY is in the POPULARITY. This diabolic mentality runs contrary to everything in the scripture from Genesis to Revelation. But you have to read the bible to know that. You have to detox from all things secular, get alone with God and recalibrate your spiritual senses. The more nonsense my comments are to you- the more influenced you probably are by the secular world. You are under their spell man. Snap out-of-it! Are we to follow a multitude to do evil and then mock the lone voices of descent? Shadows are gathering and deathbeds are coming. We will answer to God for what we allow in to our sphere of influence.
From Preaching Against it to a Ministry Tool?
How on earth could something that was not allowed in the life of a believer 50 years ago suddenly become commonplace in ministry? Why in the world have we allowed our time and tested christian hymns that were based on the scriptures be replaced with Rock and Roll, or watered down sensual atmospheric music? Why in the world would we make our worship services look like a rock stage? Have we gone mad? Seriously. Could you imagine Ozzy Osbourne dressing his concert stage up like a church? There is no way unless he did it to mock us. What diabolic influence has came in to make us think this stuff is sterile and can be used to worship a holy God? Nadab and Abihu would be horrified, and yet this madness goes on like its free. Where is the shame? Then we wonder why kids are leaving the churches in droves. Stop giving them the world with a Christian label stuck to it. Turn the lights back on and act like children of light. Preach the truth to them. Do what we did 10 years ago. Have we gone to hell in a hand-basket in 10 short years? Sober up and get that devilish stuff out of the churches while you still have breath in your lungs. Repent of this wickedness.
I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils
People do not offer blood sacrifices to the devil today- they offer their bodies as living sacrifices to him. they mark themselves up and dress themselves up and then fill themselves up with every possible evil thing that will identify them with anything and everything except Jesus Christ. They are living sacrifices for the world. They worship through the giving of their bodies. This is as plain as anything. To do similarly, no matter what our profession, is to have fellowship with devils. To engage in this type of worship, through the identification of ones person and the submission of ones affections is effectively devil worship no matter how it is sterilized. The result is full-blown enmity with God. The solution? And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (Revelation 18:4) The world is headed for total destruction. Why would we want to partake of and entertain these type of things on any level? A line of demarcation has already been drawn. The time to sober up and get on the right side is now. Away with demonic influences that confuse the mind. Away with conformity with this world. If you conform to this world (Romans 12:1) you will not offer your body to Christ as a living sacrifice- you will offer it to this world and the devil. You are going to offer it to someone. We all have to burn for something. Would to God that a clarion call to come out from among this world unto a place of separation to God would be sounded from the housetops while the churches of God still have a distinct identity and the world can still tell a difference betwixt us and them.
SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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This is really good. It is something which I have been thinking about more and more recently.
It frustrates me when my wife and I feel like we are the only ones who seem to be worried about the worldliness of the Church and most of Christendom.
We feel like we cannot trust youth ministries anymore because of the crazy, worldly things they get into.
It really bugs me that the church is no different to the world and that Christians are too distracted to notice!
I really loved this post - it was great. I love reading the posts on this forum and knowing there are people in the world who actually do desire and treasure their relationship with the Lord and who desire to live holy, sanctified lives.
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Glaring omission regarding the onslaught against God's Word, today (AV). Amazing that nothing was mentioned about it.
The spiritual criminal behaviour of watering down and changing God's Word is responsible for much of the counterfeit Christianity, today. Counterfeit Word = Counterfeit Christianity. Drinking polluted water equals spiritual health problems. Garbage in, Garbage out.
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Glaring omission regarding the onslaught against God's Word, today (AV). Amazing that nothing was mentioned about it.
One point from the former article:
When leaders don't read their bible and spend all manor of time watching secular television- is there any wonder why the bible based believer cannot relate to them and vis-versa? What is programming your mind? What is building your world view? Is it the bible?
Robert Wurtz II
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I agree with Robert that everything has become diluted in the church.
But if we look back 50 years then I end up in the time of my grandparents and it was extremly legalistic during that time.
It was a sin to wear make up. It was sin to have short hair for a women.
It was sin to wear Jeans. It was sin to watch TV, It was sin to play tennis, The violin was from the devil etc. So I dont know what he means about 50 years ago? But I hope its not what I just mentioned.
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I added an additional article to make a complete three in this series on basic discernment between light and darkness. God Bless,
Because Their Deeds Are Evil
Robert Wurtz II
For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God. (John 3:20, 21 ESV)
Light hurts the eyes of those that are used to darkness; this is commonly known. The light exposes or manifests the reality of what things are. Darkness conceals reality. Ephesians tells us that whatsoever does make manifest is light. It only stands to reason that a person that is not willing to deal with their evil behavior will avoid 'light' being cast upon them. They will not acknowledge their sin so that it may be reproved. They hide it, make excuses for it, justify it, etc. In this state he/she will not read the Bible, will not come to church where Holy Spirit conviction can be felt, and they will not pray in a meaningful way so as to touch God. The Holy Spirit will not always strive with man in reproving and convicting. (John 8:46; John 16:8). This is a fearful consideration. The Spirit of God will utilize the Word of God to bring conviction of sin and drive home the reality of a future judgment. This disturbs the person's personal peace; that is to say, it disturbs the scheme they have set up within themselves to ignore their consciousness of their estate before a holy God. They build a fortress of self-deception designed to keep God from disturbing them in their selfish life. Light breaks in upon this scheme as the rising sun through the window of a sleeping man. To escape this unpleasant intrusion and exposure, the evil person cuts out the light of Christ. In effect, they pull the shade.
Pulling the Shades
We discovered that the reason why individuals don't want any form of light is because their deeds are evil and they plan on remaining evil. Simply put, they don't want God dealing with them. This is a dangerous state to be in. They avoid light. So what are we to make of Christians that want to always tone down the light supply (as it were) that is cast upon the churches of God and replace it with some lesser thing? Based on our passage, we can only conclude that they are hiding something. They are not wanting the full light of Christ to illuminate, lest they be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God. The scheme that men use to protect themselves from the light of Christ suddenly begins to influence the light in the meetings of the churches of God. Leaders hold more influence over the amount of light in a meeting than anyone. If the leaders are backslid, you can forget God moving in most situations. We would see a wholesale change in many circles if the leadership would simply get right with God and repent of their thirst for evil. Seriously. It is a sad day when those being led have to rebuke the leaders for their compromise. Where are the leaders that would challenge the people to rise higher in God? Where are the leaders calling the people to a higher level of righteousness and holiness? Where are the leaders raising the standard and leading the people as salt and light into this present darkened world? Judgment has to start with the house of God and in the House of God it has to start with those that are in the lead. That is as simple as anything.
Good understanding giveth favour: but the way of transgressors is hard. (Proverbs 13:15)
It only stands to reason that compromise and ministry do not mix. Imagine this, all the cares of the ministry added to the hard-way of being a transgressor. That would amount to a stress no one can handle for long. The true peace that comes with knowing things are right is invaluable. A leader in compromise is surely a pitiful case.
Out of the Abundance of the Heart
In the Kingdom of God, Christ did not choose a half-in, half-baked, half-backslidden group to preach the Gospel to the then known world. Sure, they may have failed Christ miserably early on, but a case can be made that they really loved Christ and when given opportunity were restored and filled with the Spirit of God. They became new creatures FULL of the Holy Spirit and Fire. You could tell it in their speech. They overflowed with the wonderful works of God. Their minds were bent on God. Serving Christ was not a hobby. Christ was not the result of a brainstorm in the formation of a new social club. He was not an excuse to get together and flirt with some of the opposite sex, rub elbows with young people, or 'hang-out' and have fun. He was the very CENTER of all that was going on. He was not the hole in the donut. In fact, these men and women were the 'real deal' and because they were the 'real deal' they got real results. God moved powerfully among them. When they rose up they spoke of Christ and when they did lie down they spoke of Him. The whole ministry was Christocentric (Christ-centered).
I recall as a young person getting together with a bunch of youth and young adults for a cook out. Being the ignorant young christian I was, I actually brought my bible. Someone says to me in effect,' look, the spiritual guy- he brought his bible.' I came there ignorantly thinking we were gathering together in the name of Christ for a Christ-centered gathering. I figured the food and fun would be peripheral things, and God would be the main subject. I was terribly wrong. When I left a bible discussion did break out I'm told and it ended up in an argument. I say God deliver us from this type of lame Christianity. That could have scarred me for life. But fortunately I was stoking my own fire as the old-timers used to say.
Everyone who does wicked things hates the light
It is a sad day when a Christian is in bad reputation for always taking their Christian walk too far. But there it is. Can there be such a thing? Or rather, is the life of one that genuinely desires to serve God too much light shed upon the corruption of the lukewarm and backslidden? Just asking. I mean, why on earth would a Christian ever be criticized for trying to do and teach what is right and good? If I didn't have any better sense I would think the people with this attitude are double-agents. Why not? Could you imagine Paul or Peter telling a young brother to tone down his love for Christ and step up and get a little fun-loving self-desire going? That is insanity. As if Jesus Christ is not worthy to be burned for and we need to relegate some of that fire to some worldly thing. But this is rife in young adult and youth ministry today. It is a bible-less, ramped-up, hyped-up, noisy mess in many cases. Seriously. Its as if a generation that loved this world and the devil has found a way to morph together serving God and serving the devil until they do all the same things sinners do, except they direct them towards the object of Jesus Christ or 'God' instead of this world and the devil. This satisfies their inward desire for worship, but it is a pseudo spirituality. It is emptiness. Vanity. It is a devilish mixture.
Identification With the World
Much of what is called contemporary ministry today is nothing more than worldliness with a christian label slapped on it. I remember the day when our beloved 88.5 FM changed formats to compete, apparently, with K-LOVE. Out went the wholesome music that we all grew up with that are older than 40 years. Out went the hymns. Out went most anything until even Keith Green was too radical for mainstream programming. They must have been losing market share. What did they exchange for? "Positive and encouraging." Notice a key word missing- edifying. The litmus test for all we do in the churches of God needs to be two things; 1) does it truly glorify God 2) does it edify the churches (the people). People may testify that they feel 'up-lifted' but this is a temporary fix for a long term need. Its like a sugar fix when you need complex carbs and a balanced diet. You need spiritual sustenance that builds you up.
I kid you not, I have done this exercise several times. I have turned on the radio in my car and asked my teenaged kids if they could tell me 'Christian' or 'Secular' as I flipped through the dial. They were often wrong. The sad thing is, it was almost impossible to tell the difference in many cases. But there it is. Soon the whole city was without a means of having wholesome singing. In fact I have had exercises with brethren where we pulled out the hymnal and just read the lyrics to compare them with 'contemporary Christian music' so-called. It was a shocking disgrace. It's was like grape juice compared to watered down Kool-Aid. For real. May as well admit it. We had lost our way and are at risk of losing Christianity.
"The Heaven Function Not the Presence of God"
At the risk of being labeled a heretic I must add that 'strings' or the so-called 'heaven' function on a keyboard is NOT the presence of God. Often these things are akin to New Age Meditational music, masquerading as God's presence. When the Holy Spirit truly comes He convinces the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment to come. He don't come to bring nice fuzzy feelings that don't challenge our lifestyle. I recall meeting New Agers traveling to be in Benny Hinn's meetings in 1993 because they had a 'spiritual feel' or a 'mystical feel' to them. That is not to paint all things of this kind as evil, but we need to know what the presence of God is and is not. If the power goes off and the 'feeling' goes away it was not the presence of God. Period. End of discussion. Our God does not need strings to make Himself known. He don't need a keyboard. You might say, "David played a harp and demons would leave." This is true, however, David was a man after God's own heart and it was the worship of the man that drove off the demons. It was God in David, not the instrument. Keep that clear.
The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. (Romans 13:12-14)
I'm sure that some people think that because I reject what is going on today that I'm just some morose spirited guy that is just looking for a reason to gripe. They see me walk in the meetings and walk back out. They hear my comments and say, "There he goes again." Or better yet, "Don't mind him, that's just how he is." But I want to ask you the reader to consider this passage. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness. If you knew you would stand before Jesus Christ in the next 3 seconds would you want to be found in a high state of expectation or in some place of compromise? Do you really know who it is that you will stand before some day? I know we focus a lot on love these days, and maybe even to a fault. But consider the Divine revelation that John saw; And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. (Revelation 20:11) The heavens and the earth are going to flee from the face of God into oblivion; because the truth is they can flee but they cannot hide. All things are naked and open to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. This is not Bambi Jesus. This is the Lamb of God as it had been slain ready to tread the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God Almighty. If you had and I had a revelation of God as He is we would play far less games than we do, I'm certain of it. We would take this Christian life a lot more seriously. Even as the Rich Man in hell wanted to warn his family, but was told that those on earth have the Word of God- let them hear that. One second into eternity and we hear with our own ears the doorposts tremble, as the Cherubim cry HOLY HOLY HOLY, and our minds are going to sober up as if we drank down an ocean of coffee in a moment of time. Gone will be the foolish ramblings and the cynical attitudes. I'm asking those mine accusers to find me ASAP when we all get before the throne and tell me then that I took Christianity too far. Tell me then that I should have taught young people to have more fun. Tell me then that all this reading the bible and prayer was unnecessary.
The night is far spent, that is to say, shadows are gather and death beds are coming, they are coming for you and for me. This is a picture of the Sun about to arise on this wicked world. No one can stop it just like no one can stop the sun coming up in the morning. We should live as if the Sun were already up and we were already before the Throne of God. The old hymn asks, "why should we linger and heed not His mercy, mercy for you and for me." We need to put away the watered down Kool-Aid, friends, and get some hymns and sermons with some meat on them. We need to get what we need that will compel us to cast-off the darkness that so many are in love with. It's Time. It is high time to awake out of sleep- for now our salvation or damnation (which ever we choose) is nearer than we think.
Robert Wurtz II
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It was sin to watch TV, It was sin to play tennis, The violin was from the devil etc. So I dont know what he means about 50 years ago? But I hope its not what I just mentioned.
Legalism is very different than not being able to discern good from evil. I have written extensively on the subject of legalism as well. But what we have done, in my view, is put the car in the ditch on the right trying to avoid the ditch on the left. I have swam in jeans and a T-shirt as late as the late 1970's (non coed). Not what this is about. Common sense, bible based discernment between good and evil and right and wrong. :-)
Robert Wurtz II
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Yes, Josef, everything has become diluted. Including and most importantly, God's Word. I think that is what Sarah is saying but no mention of this. That is where we should start, but the Church just remains quiet. Well, some people are not.
But if we are going to write an article condemning and exposing practices today, what about the practice of seeing new modern versions every 6 months that dilute the Word of God further and further away from what it used to say (still does in the KJV).
Sadly, everyone has been so intimidated by their very own Church that they are all afraid to say anything.
I would like to give Robert a chance to write on this subject and see what he says.
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This question is asked in a spirit of humity and conciliation. If I understand you both, you believe the church's departure from the KJV has led to worliness, sin, perhaps demonics. Then what about the Mormons? They believe the KJV to be the word of God equal to their Book of Mormon. Yet they are a Satanic cult based upon the Masonic lodge which also is Satanic. I might add that Masonic lodges possess the KJV. Yet their allegiance is to the devil. Does having the correct translation insure one will be immune to Satanic control? Most interested to hear your answer.
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