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We will be adding all the sermons on SermonIndex over the next 2-3 days. To start with here is one of the messages from the meetings.

Offer Your Bodies A Living Sacrifice by Paul Washer

All the other messages are up currently here:^Washer

_________________ Moderator - Greg Gordon

“If Christians around the world were to suddenly renounce their personal agendas, their life goals and their aspirations, and begin responding in radical obedience to everything God showed them. the world would be turned upside down. How do we know? Because that's what first century Christians did, and the world is still talking about it.” - Henry Blackaby

 2011/8/4 21:28Profile

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i thank god greg for you and sermon audio

you have made a difernce in thousadns of lives mine included

 2011/8/17 20:27Profile

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 Re: Calvinistic vs fatalism

FYI - Fatalism firstly and pre-eminently denies God. God is not in fatalism's equation. It is impersonal.

Fatalism secondly denies any means to the end,or of one's 'fate'. Cause and effect are not considered.

Fatalism thirdly denies any purpose. In events or creatures.

Paul Washer and all who'd be considered to be calvinistic,would have nothing to do with fatalism.
They trust in a personal God.

God's purpose stands. His cause efects all events and creatures. He is the Beginning and the End. He is personal.

Men like Paul W. would/could not be passionate preachers and at the same time be proponents of fatalism.

Calvinistic fatalism as you phrased it makes as much sense as conservativistic hedonism.

Sam,Sue,and Steve are on a boat. Sue falls overboard and begins to drown. Steve the fatalist sits by watching and does nothing. Sam says, "throw her your lifejacket!" Steve replies,"if she drowns she drowns,it was meant to be." Sam says,"what if it was meant to be that we throw her a lifejacket and she lives!" Steve doesn't reply. Sam violently rips the lifejacket off Steve and throws it to Sue. Sue survives. Sue and Steve had always accused Sam of believing in calvinistic fatalism. Sue and Sam are married the following year and become missionaries.

May God bless Paul W. as he preaches His Truth.

Thank you S.I. for introducing many to Paul W.

Quotes below are from two who'd be considered to be in the calvinistic camp:

"He does well, that discourses of Christ; but he does infinitely better, that by experimental knowledge, feeds and lives on Christ." Thomas Brooks.

"Let us not please ourselves that we have deep understandings, but let us shew our understandings by our practice." Richard Sibbes

Where predestination stops fatalism begins.

I have often thought that man excels Satan himself in rebellion against God; for though we read of him tempting Christ, and of him crying out, "What have we to do with Thee, Jesus, Thou Son of God? Art Thou come to torment us before the time?" yet we hear nothing about his calling Him a capricious tyrant, because He has not given them a chance of being saved. No, this species of rebellion appears to be the sole prerogative of ruined man. (William Gadsby)

That mind must be awfully bewildered, and that conscience dreadfully hardened, that can presumptuously dare to dictate to the Almighty, and blasphemously arraign him at its puny bar, and condemn him as a monster, not to be equaled by Satan, the father of lies, if he dare to deal out his immortal blessings in a sovereign way. Yet such men there are. (William Gadsby)

Real christian charity is swallowed up in the will of God, nor is it in its nature to extend itself one step beyond, nor desire one thing contrary to the glory of Jehovah. All the charity that we possess beyond this may be properly called fleshly charity. (William Gadsby)

"A man's free will cannot cure him even of a toothache or a sore finger, and yet he madly thinks it is in his power to cure his soul of sin. Actually, the greatest judgment which God Himself can in this present life inflict upon a man is to leave that man in the hand of HIS OWN BOASTING FREE-WILL!" (Augustus Toplady - author of the hymn Rock of Ages)

"Wicked men would have God to be any thing but what he is; nothing that God is really and truly pleaseth them." - J. Owen

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