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RobertW
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It seems like I am trying to condemn someone and I assure you all this isn't the case.



If this is true you may want to alter your approach to the subject. Your header reads, "Lazy people are not Christians..."

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Also, there are a lot of doctrinal presuppositions that are needed in a debate like this...



Personally, I am not interested in a debate in the standard sense of the word. I do not approach these discussion forums in that way. I view these forums as a place to come together and reason in the scriptures with a view to edification of the believer and the glory of God. Debates typically are designed to set forth a winner and a loser (I'm right and you are wrong, my decision carries, etc.).

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Since I do not have the patience to type it all out,...



Patience is very much needed in these forums. It takes time to understand where people are coming from and to ascertain the mind of God through the scriptures. If a subject is serious enough that we think a person's soul may be at risk, I think both grace and patience are in order, both here in the discussion and with the dear believer in question.

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. (2 Tim. 2)


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Robert Wurtz II

 2011/5/20 9:24Profile
lylewise
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Can you provide specifics? I would agree with the others. Are we not all lazy in some aspect? Does that threaten our security? Scripture speaks to a fallen world with fallen men. Our appeal will be to a relationship with Christ first. With Christ first then laziness or whatever condition that may be hindering one is truly a ground of conviction where the Spirit will do His work. Yes even using man as the means, if by scripture he has come in love first checking his own condition.

Do we however lay abortion, stealing, apathy, adultery, ..........at the feet of one who is lazy? Might not these be a clue of a fallen state when they are made a lifestyle? Even at that there are those who do a great many things that are still destined for the eternal flames because they do not know God. I have yet to be concerned that anyone is lazy. I am desperately concerned that many who profess Christ do not know Him! It would be a crime to consider that a deficiency would it not? A close personal relationship with a brother brings an atmosphere for growth even in the hard things that would that make us uncomfortable. However the world is dying. One could look at the church and say it is laziness. If that be the case let us not concern ourselves with eternity which is the concern of our Great God Jesus Christ and rather learn a greater productivity from Donald Trump.

If we set about trying to motivate the dead, we will only get Zombies!

 2011/5/20 9:53Profile
warriorofgod
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Mr Robert,

Please tell me how you would interpret this portion of scripture: Mat 25:26

His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

Please keep the context in mind because this servant eventually is sent to hell. Also, also keep in mind that many commentators (and sermons) reveal that this text is to show how those that are false professors will be cast in the lake of fire for their slothfulness. I await your response.

 2011/5/20 10:39Profile
mguldner
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"Please keep the context in mind because this servant eventually is sent to hell. Also, also keep in mind that many commentators (and sermons) reveal that this text is to show how those that are false professors will be cast in the lake of fire for their slothfulness. I await your response."

The Context is the Justified master casting correct judgment on his wicked servatn. Tell me are you the master that has the right to judge?

No the parable is about the Work Christ has eloted to us as individuals, God has given you a work and different amounts of work some receive some receive 5 bags, some receive 2, some receive just one, God justly distributes and justly judges the work done.

Notice we are not to judge our brothers and sisters because they appear to do less that we do, why? because that very well could be the amount of work the Lord has given them. Its again on an individual basis between God and the individual. If we are each following as the Lord leads this will hardly be an issue and we won't have to worry about judging who is saved or not based on each others laziness. Again Christ is the Master and Judge not anyone of us, we have no say in who is saved or not especially based off of works we do.


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Matthew Guldner

 2011/5/20 11:09Profile
RobertW
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Ok. Fair enough. Lets take a look at Matthew 25:26:

His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

Our word here for slothful is ὀκνηρός (root okneō) carries the idea of being slow or hesitant. I am inclined to see the behavior, by his own admission, as unbelief.

And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, [there] thou hast [that is] thine. (Matthew 25:25)

I think the context here dictates that phobeo (afraid) carries the meaning of fearing to do something or to hesitate. I don't see this as a general laziness as much as it is indecision. We cannot say it is general slothfulness because the man expended the energies to bury and then unbury his 'talent'. Rather, and I concur with Trench, that it is a preoccupation with ones own spirituality (salt) and has no time to go out and be salt and light in this world. In other words, I only ever had time to look after my own needs and not to the needs of the souls of others that is in view IMHO. The man was busy about working and not lazy in the 21st century sense, but was selfish with what was entrusted to him, that is, his own life. He kept it safe and secure and gave it back to Christ at His return. But this is not the stewardship God has called us to. Obsessive concern for personal spirituality- to the neglect of the souls of others- can actually lead to this condition. We have to be careful.


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Robert Wurtz II

 2011/5/20 11:31Profile
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No doubt a servant is proven by his work. He can claim to serve the master but does he? I would like to appeal however, to the why and not the how. Why does one not share the light given them unless they do not have it to begin with. If this is about faulty execution or failure to execute then none of us can live up to such a standard.

 2011/5/20 14:06Profile
Lkid
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I'm no greek specialist but i believe my bible's notes claim that the greek for the 'cast out into outer darkness' here is different than in other passages. Any thoughts? I'll check on it when i get a chance.

 2011/5/20 19:59Profile
Lysa
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 Re: Lazy people are not Christians...


warriorofgod,

YOU and your preaching are not going to change people, the Holy Ghost is going to change people, period. You need to be taking this prideful argument against these people to the Holy Spirit.

Brother, I say this with all love towards you as a brother in Christ... Have you heard of the new term that's been coined called "humblebragging" or "humblebrag"? "The art of tooting your own horn without BLOWING IT!!" That sure sounds like what your original post is doing... bragging how holy (or not lazy, I should say), while humbly trying to get all these underachievers caught up to where you obviously live everyday of your life!!

And I'm not pointing something out in you that I am not guilty of myself... I am guilty of humblebragging; it's a challenge to see the truth when someone else points that out in you.

Finally brother, the love of Jesus in us is patient and is kind toward those who are not where we are. When the Spirit of the Lord convicts someone, they are not beaten down ready to give up from even trying.

Why cannot more Christians just love one another in SPITE of their failings and shortcomings and let the Lord convict them??? Why???

Your friend in Christ,
Lisa


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Lisa

 2011/5/20 20:44Profile









 Re: Lazy people are not Christians...

Some people are maybe not lazy but actually depressed. Even mild depression can leave people inert. It is just as much a sin to be judgemental and self-righteous of others so be careful it is truly laziness you are witnessing. Some people have also been or felt beaten down their whole lives and have simply given up. But yes, it is an odd thing (and sinful)for a Christian to be lazy, if indeed that is the truth of the matter.

 2011/5/20 23:41
warriorofgod
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Robert,

Is there anyway I can call you? I know thismay be a pretty bold request, but I am still being misunderstood in this thread and am trying to get out of the cross fire pronto. If not, that's ok. God Bless.

 2011/5/23 4:27Profile





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