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TrueWitness
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 What is the scroll sealed with seven seals in Revelation?

Rev. 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Several chapters detail the tribulations that are unleashed upon the Earth and mankind as each seal is broken. My question is: What is this scroll (book) sealed with seven seals that only Jesus Christ can open and read? Is it the title deed to the Earth? Is it the record book of all of mankind's works? Is it the book of life? Revelation tells all about what happens when the seals are broken, but doesn't say what is written on (in) the scroll. I would be interested in anyone's thoughts on this matter. I'm sure we will get a spectrum of opinions.

 2011/5/6 23:29Profile









 Re: What is the scroll sealed with seven seals in Revelation?


I believe we find the answer in Daniel 12.

Dan 12:4 But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, to the end time. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I did not understand. And I said, O my lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And He said, Go, Daniel! For the words are closed up and sealed until the end time.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified and made white and tested. But the wicked shall do wickedly. And not one of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

 2011/5/6 23:50
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 Re: What is the scroll sealed with seven seals in Revelation?

Up to this time of the lamb opening the seals, the rulership of this world had been delegated by God to the four kingdoms seen in Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the image in Daniel chapter 2. At the beginning of the judgement time of Rev 4, the last kingdom, ie Roman rule, but a weak form of it, (iron mixed with miry clay) will be in place, as it is today.

The effect of the opening of the seals by the Lamb and the subsequent plages, is the ruination of Roman power and the tranference of this power back to God. It is the smiting stone of Daniel 2 v 45. The plagues and judgements are to undo the evil that has been done to the world under the reign of the four kingdoms of the gentiles and prepare the earth for the rule of the Son of Man.

If we read Daniel's vision in chapter 9 of the four beasts, these are the same kingdoms. Verses 9 and 10 of this chapter are the equivalent of Rev chapter 4, where thrones were set (not "cast down", a bad translation).

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. Dan 7:9-10 (KJV)

'Jesus is God's' reference to Daniel 12 is right, and verses 6 and 7 indicate that the book is sealed until the time of the end. There is a three and half year period mentioned here, before the end where God is scattering the power of the holy people (Daniel's people), and at the beginning of this period the daily sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination which makes desolate will be set up.

6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. 8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Dan 12:6-11 (KJV)

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 Re: What is the scroll sealed with seven seals in Revelation?

I believe this is the book of redemption.The title deed to the earth that adam lost in eden.Sealed with seven seals that gives faith to the bride at the end-time. In revelation10 this same book is open yeah one needs to knew whats in this book i do agree but only christ can tell you.GOD BLESS ALL IN THAT HOLY NAME JESUS THAT IS THE CHRIST.

 2011/5/17 10:33Profile









 Re: What is the scroll sealed with seven seals in Revelation?


The 7 seals are the Divinely inspired events and personalities attached, that will come to pass in the End Times. These events are set in the stone of eternity. They will come to pass. Though they culminate in the end-times.and more intensely in the last 42 months of History before He returns......they of course may have their roots deeper than that in history.

This is not a mystery in the sense that it is unexplained. The explanation, though couched in deep mystical Heavenly terminology and symbols, is spoken of in Chapter 7.

In the end of the fulfillment of the seals, as well as the beginning, it is clear that Jesus of Nazareth is Lord, and that these events will bring all glory and honor to His being, and entitled Lordship. The 7 seals cry out; "Jesus is Lord!!! and so worthy of worship.


1.]And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, "Come and see."

2.] And I saw, and behold a [ 1st SEAL BROKEN!} white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

[ "I believe this to be Islam. Mohamed [supposedly] rode to Heaven on his famous white horse from the temple mount...to meet Abraham...and God himself.] I think that the "beast" is Islam, and the anti-Christ...as Islam is anti-Christ, will rise here. Islam is antichrist, the white horse.]

3.]And when he had opened the second seal,[ 2nd SEAL BROKEN] I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4And there went out another horse that was red:

[ I believe this to be Communism, or Socialism, in the end times. This began in the French Revolution, and was championed by Marx..and others. Communism has murdered more people than all of the wars ever fought...(Mao and
Stalin=100 million..alone.]...[ the red flag...the Khmer rouge!]

and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."[ hundreds of millions dead..] the red horse.

5.]And when he had opened the third seal,[ 3rd seal broken]
I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6.] And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."

I see the 3rd seal to be the New Age ecumenical movement that mixes a one world government with all religions, and combines sorcery too. It's kind of like the "Oprah" gospel...with mediums, gurus, one worlders, and witches...all under a social flag...[ everyone gets wheat,barley, oil and wine....socialist mentality; arm and arm with new-age mysticism.

7.]And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8. "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: [ 4th seal broken...PALE HORSE]
.... and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."

I think that this is plague and judgment given to the Earth in these very last days, as peoples stray from the Savior. Because this one kills with death...; only God has the power of death...[ Jesus holds death and Hell..]

9.]And when he had opened the fifth seal,[ 5th SEAl broken.] I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. "

This is the persecution of the church, and obvious martyrdom that will come to pass upon me and you, if we are faithful. [ Most of this by Islam, I'm afraid..]

12.] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,[ Sixth seal Broken] [Sixth Seal Broken] and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

[ The signs before He comes. The signs of the coming of the Son of Man!

13.] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16. And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17. For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The 7th seal, { He gathers! The Rapture! the great Wrath upon the beast...the Supper of the Lamb! the restoration of the Earth! The Millennium begins!

He returns, gathers His bride, along with saving Jerusalem and the Jews..!!!!


King James Version (KJV)

 2011/5/17 11:38
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 Don't study at Jack Van Impe Correspondence School of Hyper-Dispensational Pre-Millenarianism

Wow! Do plagiarism laws not apply to the Scofield Reference Bible?

My brother, I know that you hold these views sincerely but I’ve got to say to you that to my simple mind, they are incredibly complicated and communicate the idea that the Bible is a fairly mysterious book only understood by those who have been to the Jack Van Impe Correspondence School of Hyper-Dispensational Pre-Millenarianism.. (I know that such a place doesn’t really exist, I’m trying to be whimsical.)

I believe that the initial question here was: “What is the scroll sealed with seven seals in Revelation?”

My answer would simply be this (please note the absence of any reference to Oprah, Mohammed, Communism, the modern nation-state called Israel and/or the bible according to Hal Lindsey – I assure you that the Bible can be interpreted without referencing any of this), simply put, in Revelation 5:1, as the scroll and the seals are first brought to our attention we learn that what is contained in the scroll is the plan of God for His Creation… That’s it.
Really, it’s that simple.
Now, of course after reading 5:1 the question becomes, “Who can execute this plan?” – in fact, this is the very question asked in 5:2.
And the answer to this question – after all of heaven and earth is searched (5:3) is, “No one can execute God’s plan…. Except Jesus who has conquered.” (5:5)
Beyond this section, we enter into a prolonged series of judgments from ch.6-17 (the seals, the trumpets and the bowls) I would suggest that each of these judgments describes the same thing seen from different angles.
That is to say that they do not represent some kind of weird-cryptic-chronological-future-sequence of events as some suggest, but much more simply they represent the ongoing and continual situation faced by the saints of God as we live our lives on a fallen planet. Things are a chaotic mess and will get no better until God chooses to come in judgment and bring this fallen creation to an end.
The comforting thing about this prolonged series of judgments contained in ch.6-17 is that they are occasionally interrupted by short scenes that remind us that Christ is in control of his people and of this planet despite the chaos of sin that is all around us (examples of this include 7:1-17 & 11:1-14).

I’ll leave it at that for now.

(I hope this makes sense and that you didn’t take my anti-dispensationalist rants as anything more than an attempt at humor!)

Lord bless!

 2011/5/25 8:39Profile
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 Don't study at Jack Van Impe Correspondence School of Hyper-Dispensational Pre-Millenarianism

Wow! Do plagiarism laws not apply to the Scofield Reference Bible?

My brother, I know that you hold these views sincerely but I’ve got to say to you that to my simple mind, they are incredibly complicated and communicate the idea that the Bible is a fairly mysterious book only understood by those who have been to the Jack Van Impe Correspondence School of Hyper-Dispensational Pre-Millenarianism.. (I know that such a place doesn’t really exist, I’m trying to be whimsical.)

I believe that the initial question here was: “What is the scroll sealed with seven seals in Revelation?”

My answer would simply be this (please note the absence of any reference to Oprah, Mohammed, Communism, the modern nation-state called Israel and/or the bible according to Hal Lindsey – I assure you that the Bible can be interpreted without referencing any of this), simply put, in Revelation 5:1, as the scroll and the seals are first brought to our attention we learn that what is contained in the scroll is the plan of God for His Creation… That’s it.
Really, it’s that simple.
Now, of course after reading 5:1 the question becomes, “Who can execute this plan?” – in fact, this is the very question asked in 5:2.
And the answer to this question – after all of heaven and earth is searched (5:3) is, “No one can execute God’s plan…. Except Jesus who has conquered.” (5:5)
Beyond this section, we enter into a prolonged series of judgments from ch.6-17 (the seals, the trumpets and the bowls) I would suggest that each of these judgments describes the same thing seen from different angles.
That is to say that they do not represent some kind of weird-cryptic-chronological-future-sequence of events as some suggest, but much more simply they represent the ongoing and continual situation faced by the saints of God as we live our lives on a fallen planet. Things are a chaotic mess and will get no better until God chooses to come in judgment and bring this fallen creation to an end.
The comforting thing about this prolonged series of judgments contained in ch.6-17 is that they are occasionally interrupted by short scenes that remind us that Christ is in control of his people and of this planet despite the chaos of sin that is all around us (examples of this include 7:1-17 & 11:1-14).

I’ll leave it at that for now.

(I hope this makes sense and that you didn’t take my anti-dispensationalist rants as anything more than an attempt at humor!)

Lord bless!

 2011/5/25 8:43Profile
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I found an answer that pretty much satisfies my mind on this question. I found it in a book on spiritual warfare entitled "Everyone's Guide to Demons and Spiritual Warfare" by Ron Phillips. Here is the excerpt dealing with the scroll:

UNLOCKING THE SECRET OF THE SCROLL

In this dramatic scene, in the extended right hand of the enthroned Yahweh is a scroll. The scroll is in the possession of the One in authority, as demonstrated by the throne and the right hand. The right hand represents authority and government. The scroll is written on the inside and outside and sealed with seven seals. What is on the inside is hidden from view. Seven seals represent complete sealing. Thus the decrees on the inside of that scroll cannot be undone by any human power.

In order to understand the scroll's mystery, we must find out what it means. There are over four hundred direct quotes or allusions to the thirty-one books of the Old Testament in Revelation. It would make sense to see if Jewish history can give us a hint about the scroll. That hint is found in the laws of redemption and in the celebration of jubilee. In the ancient world of Israel a family could never completely forfeit land, freedom, or the rights to an heir. Under Jewish law one could forfeit land if they borrowed against it and failed to pay the mortgage. One could also forfeit his or her freedom by becoming an indentured servant in order to pay debt. Also a childless widow had rights in a family to obtain a male heir by levirate marriage.

Let me explain further. If through failure you lost land, freedom, or family rights, they could be redeemed! Redemption meant that all debts had been satisfied.

If someone fell into one of these circumstances, the loss was recorded on a scroll, the scroll was sealed, and the price of redemption was written on the outside. Either the person who forfeited his property or a near relative (a kinsman) could buy back the inheritance.

This is clearly pictured in the Book of Ruth. Elimelech and Naomi mortgaged their property in Bethlehem and journeyed to live in Moab (Jordan). There Elimelech died, and so did his sons Mahlon and Chilion. This left Naomi as a widow with two daughter-in-laws, Orpah and Ruth. Ruth returns with Naomi to Bethlehem in dire poverty. Naomi is a penniless widow; Ruth is a Gentile. Naomi has a relative (a near kinsman) named Boaz. He is rich and willing to redeem Naomi. However, he must also be willing to redeem Ruth by marrying her and raising up seed for the family of the dead Elimelech.

In the process there is a nearer relative who cannot redeem. He indicates his inability by taking off his shoe. Boaz redeems the land of Naomi, marries Ruth, and redeems the whole family.

The scroll in the hand of God represents man's failure from Adam until now. It is the record of Satan's war against humanity and the purposes of God. The scroll represents every sin, every war, every grave, every tear, every defeat, and every misery of the human race. In fact, the scroll is the record and reason for all evil and evil acts on the earth. Just as Naomi's scroll would have recorded all of her losses, so there is a scroll of human misery.

Now the ancient story comes to life as in this scripture the drama of the ages unfolds. In God's right hand is the record! The tragedy in the Garden of Eden turned the earth into a vast graveyard. Our world continues to be ravaged by wars, devastated by disasters, stalked by disease, pursued by terror, limited by mortality, and tinged with terror.

The river of sin and wrong choices flows through the pages of history. The tyranny of Satan and the limitations of mortality have crashed the hope out of humanity. That is what is written in that scroll.

THE TEARS OF HUMANITY

The apostle John, who had the courage to stand by the cross and survive torture and exile, could not be brought to tears by the enemy, yet now he weeps at this scene. The tears of John are your tears and my tears. They represent the heartache of every person who ever felt crushed by failures.

The unopened scroll speaks of human inadequacy. No one could open the scroll of human bondage! Only the tearing away of those seals could open the gates of hell and let humanity go free. All human power, wisdom, education, and progress are inadequate. So tears of despair wet the earth across the ages. This is the record of Satan as the demons wreak havoc upon humanity and upon the planet.

BEHOLD A DELIVERER

The price of redemption is written on the outside of the scroll.

• A near kinsman, Jesus Christ, became a human that He might redeem us.

• The kinsman must be able to redeem: Jesus Christ alone had the price of our freedom, His precious blood.

• The kinsman bust be willing: Jesus Christ willingly suffered to bring us back to freedom.

The angel cries out, "Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?" (Rev. 5:2). The answer is that a Second Adam has come onto the battleground. He is the Lion of Judah; the Jewish Messiah has come to set the entire world free.

Greater than David, a new King has come to reclaim what is rightfully His. When John looks at the Lion, he sees a Lamb! This victory has been won by the Lamb. In the Book of Revelation, the Lamb of God is worthy of worship (Rev. 5:12), the executer of wrath (Rev. 6:16), and the overcomer of Satan (Rev. 12:11). Revelation 5:5 declares that Jesus the Lamb of God has "prevailed." When you see the Lamb, He is standing, not lying in a grave. He is crowned with all authority. He bears the marks of battle, yet He is standing in eternal triumph.

The word prevailed is the Greek word nikao. It is translated "overcome," "conquest," "victory," and "triumph." Here it is in the aorist tense, which means "once and for all." Jesus Christ has prevailed once and for all over all the power of Satan.

THE OVERCOMING CHURCH

The history of the church can be traced in the seven churches of Revelation. Though literal churches, these seven churches seem to represent the timeline of church history. Each of the churches is called upon to overcome. This is the same as the word prevail used to describe Jesus's victory. Those in the church can overcome the enemy.

To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

-REVELATION 3:21

We can overcome just as Christ overcame. We can live an enthroned, victorious life with Him. Our overcoming is possible only through His blood.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

-REVELATION 12:11

Our future inheritance is tied to spiritual warfare. If we overcome, we are sons and daughters of God and have a rich inheritance to claim now and in the future.

He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

-REVELATION 21:7

THE BOOK OF WAR

Therefore we will look at the opened scroll of human struggle. In doing so, we will unfold the enemy's hysteria, tirade, and strategy. Furthermore, we will learn how to take the battle to him. Finally, we will learn how to overcome instead of being overwhelmed. We will embrace the lifestyle of victory, not victims.

 2011/5/25 9:58Profile









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The first 6 seals parallel strongly with order of events in Mt 24.

1st Seal - White Horse conquering
Mat 24:5 - False Christs

2nd Seal - War
Mat 24:6-7 - Wars and rumors of wars

3rd Seal - Famine
Mat 24:7 - And there shall be famines

4th Seal - Death
Mat 24:7 - and pestilences

5th Seal - Martyrs
Mat 24:9 - Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you

6th Seal - Judgment on Jerusalem begins
Mat 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation

This cannot be just a coincidence. Revelation talks about the same events as Jesus did in Mt 24. The destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD.

A777

 2011/5/25 10:14
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Interesting thoughts but with respect I think you have holes in this argument.

1. "White horse conquering" and "False Christs" aren't comparable... There's nothing in Revelation 6 that suggests that these conquerors are anything other than just that... conquerors
2."pestilences" isn't in the oldest Greek texts – not meaning that it won’t be found to be some day but for now it isn’t, and without it your argument falls down
3. you've left out the seventh seal altogether

And over and above all of this, the danger is that we interpret Revelation as some sort of complex code, the big-picture of which is not obvious on the surface…. I disagree.

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