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In the testimony given to us in the lives of Cain and Abel we are told that...



1Jo 3:11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another,

1Jo 3:12 not as Cain [who] was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.

1Jo 3:13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you.



How is the above testimony related to this precept spoken by God to Satan...


Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."


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How is the above testimony related to this precept spoken by God to Satan...




John testifies this of Cain...


1Jo 3:12 not as Cain [who] was of the wicked one...


God declares that Satan would have offspring in this way...

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed


"And between your seed"

By what means does one become a "seed" of Satan? Is is a natural phenomenon or spiritual?


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Is is a natural phenomenon or spiritual?



First we have this testimony of the Holy Spirit...


Act 1:8 "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me [fn] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."


then we are given this testimony of Satan's ability...


2Th 2:9 The coming of the [lawless one] is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,


The word dynamis is translated "power" in both verses. In Strong's, one definition is "power for preforming miracles."
In both verses this meaning is implied. The source of this power is then supernatural or according to the spiritual world. In Genesis we are given an example of this...


Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"


That which is seen, that which is created, in this case a serpent, has been given the ability to speak. The created thing does not possess this ability but is acted upon by Satan's power to do what he does.

Again, the book of Genesis is the foundation on which the revelation of God and His creation is built upon.


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So how does one become the "seed" of Satan?

Jesus says this of those who hate Him...


Jhn 8:44 "You are of [your] father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own [resources], for he is a liar and the father of it.


Look to this precept..."When he speaks a lie..."


We are given the first example of his work in Genesis...


Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

Gen 3:2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden;

Gen 3:3 "but of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.' "

Gen 3:4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.

Gen 3:5 "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."


This is another foundational truth found in the book of Genesis...

The devil "speaks" to man.


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Anonymous777, Your piece from Peter Cohen, although cleverly argued, is not the full truth which is revealed in the NT about the church.

By using mainly Romans 9 to 11 and some OT scriptures, Cohen has cleverly selected certain truths from scripture, and argued them to be the whole truth, In doing so, He has had to make other scriptures "fit into his doctrine.
He says:

"The New Testament church is the continuation of the faithful assembly of Israel, albeit with certain distinctive and new characteristics, (does he know what these are?) but nevertheless joined to the roots of the olive tree. To this olive tree gentiles have been added in greater numbers than ever before."

This is true of Romans 9 to 11 teaching. But these chapters from Romans deal with the natural descent of Israel, and the Gentiles' place in this natural olive tree. All the metaphors are natural: olive tree, branches, grafting and root. Paul writes in chapter 9 "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came" v 5. He speaks of "my kinsmen according to the flesh" v3.

The 3 chapters are full of references to God's mercy, not His Grace.

There is no mention of the church, Christ's body, or the grace of God. Chapter 11, on which his doctrine in mainly based, has no mention of JesuS, Christ or rhe Holy Spirit.

I just do not know how he can use these 3 chapters to explain what the church is.

Regarding the mysteries revealed to Paul, he writes:
"What is the Mystery? There are two aspects to the mystery that Paul speaks of and both are inextricably bound together:"

In fact there are at least 9 mysteries revealed to and by Paul in his writings. (get a concordance). But these two he talks about best fit in with his doctrine.

If we wish to see what the church is , we should start by reading the Ephesian letter, where the church is revealed to be the body of Christ, with Christ as the risen head.

The church is seen to be a heavenly body, raised up by Christ at His resurrection. It is seen as a new creation, a new man, which was created in Christ Jesus when the Holy Ghost was poured out at pentecost. It is seen as the holy temple in the Lord, full of the Holy Spirit. It is see as the bride of Christ, to be revealed to the world at His second coming. And it consist of ex Jews and ex Gentiles with no difference, the middle wall being broken down.

Cohen speaks nothing of heavenly things, because he is writing on Romans 9 to 11 about things on earth. He also omits to say anything of the future of Israel at Christ's coming. This is not the doctrine of the church

David


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Saints,

We are going to lock this thread, the initial post was on the theme of self-denial and how God's Gospel leads to this on this earth for Christians. We are locking this thread now.

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50. The sum of the Christian life is denial of ourselves.

51. The ends of this self-denial are four. 1. That we may devote ourselves to God as a living sacrifice. 2. That we may not seek our own things, but those which belong to God and to our neighbour. 3. That we may patiently bear the cross, the fruits of which are—acknowledgment of our weakness, the trial of our patience, correction of faults, more earnest prayer, more cheerful meditation on eternal life. 4. That we may know in what manner we ought to use the present life and its aids, for necessity and delight. Necessity demands that we possess all things as though we possessed them not; that we bear poverty with mildness, and abundance with moderation; that we know how to endure patiently fulness, and hunger, and want; that we pay regard to our neighbour, because we must give account of our stewardship; and that all things correspond to our calling. The delight of praising the kindness of God ought to be with us a stronger argument.

1 John Calvin and Henry Beveridge, Institutes of the Christian Religion (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2010), 566-67.


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