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 Today's Gospel is Far From The NT Message


Quoting Walter Chantry . . .
Can it be true that Christians are misleading the souls of men in regard to salvation? Is it really all that bad? Look at the evangelistic missions with all their gimmicks (I even heard a pastor say to a bunch of young people that if they could bring a certain number of kids out to Church, that he would swallow a goldfish in front of them . . . wacky but true). Examine all that you teach in the light of Jesus' thorough going Gospel and you will have to agree - the Church is far from the New Testament message.
Oh, and don't forget to look at your own preaching and teaching. All are not in error, but a great number are. All have not perverted the Gospel to the same degree, but many are terribly far from the truth. All those who, make "decisions" are not deceived, but a great number are. Above all, few CARE to recover the Gospel message. Most assume that evangelical tradition embodies all of it. Great numbers never carefully weigh their habits in the light of Scriptures. Many are never asked to count the cost of becoming one of Jesus disciples. ... Surely our first issue of duty to our Lord is to make sure that we have the right Gospel message. The same one not altered or improved - but in its original full strength formula.

Like a foul tasting cough medicine that is not pleasant to the taste of a sick child, the original Gospel of Jesus Christ is not pleasant to the ears of most sinners today. But it is the power of God to those that will believe unto salvation - it gets the job done.

Most of all we need to contend for the gospel. It is not just a few facts that Jesus and the Apostles preached it was life itself. True evangelism preaches the whole counsel of God with explanation and application to sinners.

Remember our Lord's dealing with the rich young ruler the next time you witness to someone. Don't sell this truth for unity at any cost. The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ is a pearl worthy to be purchased at the cost of all else. Rise above deadening evangelical tradition and "Earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 3).

from the book: http://www.amazon.com/Today-s-Gospel-Authentic-Synthetic/dp/0851510272


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 Re: Today's Gospel is Far From The NT Message

Quote: 'Like a foul tasting cough medicine that is not pleasant to the taste of a sick child, the original Gospel of Jesus Christ is not pleasant to the ears of most sinners today'.

Or most church goers. So it would appear.

May we live for God's glory alone.

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When you look at the rich heritage of True Christianity, such as the merciless persecution of the Vaudois, you can only hope and pray that we, who are untested, will come through as Gold. Only by His grace and mercy.

They had such a zeal for missions, despite the RCC attempts to shut them down because they were not "qualified".

www.cathar.info/120116_waldensians.htm

A777

 2011/4/18 8:52









 Re: The New Testament message, and it's modern, corrupting counterpart today.

When we look at unity and Purity in the early Church, it is evident from both of these articles that it was never accomplished through ecclesiastical means; IE, through the exercise of a Central authority.

Quite the contrare'...The Priest Class in authority seeks to destroy any semblance of wavering to their perceived authority.

In the RCC, it was of course Papal; in our modern counterpart, it is the Clergy/Laity model fueled by the Pulpit, The tithe, and the false doctrines that empower the "Priest Class."

As a result, We receive a lie about the body being One, and Equal in Love.We get "THE PASTOR" along with the sub-doctrines of the church/temple being a building made by men.

Then there is the liturgy of singing a couple of songs, handing over your cash to be a member [tithes and offerings ] to SUPPORT the Priest Class and the Building..;then the "sermon", usually a religious lecture about this or that which is assigned as Biblical.

Add to this the benediction, the handshake and Sunday Pork roast at you local Restaurant...and it's been a good day. You have "Been to Church", and of course, blessed and faithful.

The early Church had none of these...Yet they were so holy, that it is written that all men feared to join themselves to them.

The early Church was a Kingdom of Priests...and ministers....women and weak included. They were unified under Christ and kept the commandment to love one another, and to lay their lives down for one another.

They were willing to lay down their checkbooks, property, and their futures to honor the least of the brethren. Sisters were as big a part of the ministry as brothers...though the Shepherds...[ always, always plural]..[and always unpaid, non-hirelings, UNDER the body in Love..] were always men.

The only time a SINGLE Pastor was mentioned was in 3rd John, and soundly rebuked as evil by the Apostle...who commented that he "loved the preeminence among them..."

So this is what we're facing. This has defiled the holiness of loving that we all long for. God is putting it all do death...and in the end, those who cling to this wicked self-usurping model will NOT be able to touch the Bride, or adorn her in any way.

"The Bride has made herself ready..."

 2011/4/18 10:53









 Re: Popery in Gestation

Hi BrotherTom,

This thread brings up an important subject and one that needs to be talked about. I believe we all need to acquaint ourselves with Church History, to understand why we are, where we are, today.

Let's start at the beginnning.

Jesus Christ chose to make His entrance into this world among the LOWLY and the DESPISED. This is the nature of our God. He is near them that are humble and contrite and tremble at His Word.

There was a time when many of His followers, astonished and convinced by the omnipotence displayed in His wonderful miracles sought "to take Him by force to make him a king", but instead of encouraging their plans,
"He departed again, into a mountain Himself alone." (John 6:15).

In reply to the questions of the Roman governor, He spoke those memorable words, "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD," and His whole conduct from the manger to the cross, and from the cross to the mount of ascension, was in strict accordance of His answer to Pontius Pilate and it is the mark of TRUE CHRISTIANITY down through the centuries.

MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD

When selecting those that He would sent forth as apostles of His faith, He did not go to the mansions of the great or to the palaces of kings, but to the humble walks of life, and chose from the poor of the world, those who, in carrying our their mission, were destined to be as their divine Master, despised and rejected of men.

In performing the work which their Lord gave them to do, the lowly, but zealous fisherman of Galilee and the courageous tent-maker of Tarsus, with their faithful fellow-laborers, despising all EARTHLY PRIZES and WORLDLY HONORS, were content to lay every laurel at the foot of Christ's cross, and to "count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus their Lord," for whom they had "suffered the loss of all things."
(Phil 3:8).

A few centuries afterward, we find the professed successor of Peter the fisherman, dwelling in a magnificent palace, attended by troops of soldiers READY TO AVENGE THE SLIGHTEST INSULT OFFERED TO HIS DIGNITY, surrounded by all the emblems of worldly greatness, with more regal splendor, proudly claiming to be the SOVEREIGN RULER of the UNIVERSAL CHURCH, the VICEREGENT of GOD upon earth, WHOSE DECISIONS are INFALLIBLE and WHOSE WILL IS LAW!

The contrast between these two pictures of Primitive Christianity in the first century and Papal Christianity in the seventh or eighth is so amazing that we are overwhelming led to ask, CAN THEY BE THE SAME?

If one is a FAITHFUL PICTURE OF CHRISTIANITY, can it be possible THE THE OTHER IS WORTHY OF THE NAME?

This transformation did not take place all at once. The change from the lowliness of the one to the lordliness of the other, required ages to complete, and it was not till the lapse of more than five centuries from the death of the last of the apostles that the transformation was entire.

The Apostle Paul tells us that even in his day, "the mystery of iniquity" had begun to work and had it not been for the purifying influence of the fires of persecution kindled by the emperor of pagan Rome, the advance of ecclesiastical corruption and spiritual despotism would probably have been far more rapid than it was - and it would have been at an earlier period that "the man of sin" would have been "revealed," even that "son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God."

For 3 centuries after Jesus Christ's glorious resurrection His disciples were subjected to continual cruel and bitter persecutions and sufferings, and with only very brief respite between them.

The wild beasts in the amphitheatre of Rome were fattened by the martyrs of Jesus while keeping the Roman populace amused. Under such a state of things, there was of course little motivation to the worldly minded and ambitious to seek admission to the Church of Jesus Christ. And if a time of relaxation came for a season, and some such persons had crept into the church it only required a mandate from another emperor to stoke the fires of persecution and separate the dross from the gold.

Christianity back then was like an "armed resistance", yet they carried no human weapons and did not obliterate men. The weapons of their warfare were not carnal and they sought not to avenge themselves. It was the very men that were spilling the blood of martyrs that the Church was seeking to win for Christ. They were a fierce force of resistance to the powers and potentates of the earth and it was the most effectual barrier against the speedier progress of corruption in the church. According to the prophetic message of the Apostle Paul, before "the man of sin" could be revealed it was necessary that this "let" or hindrance should be removed.

I believe without a doubt that Paul was referring to the continual persecution from pagan Rome, when he said, "and now ye know what withholdeth, that he might be revealed in his time, for the mystery of iniquity doth already work, only he who now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way; AND THEN SHALL THAT WICKED ONE BE REVEALED."

It is an important fact that Popery is plainly a subject of prophetic prediction in the Holy Scriptures and though the almost entire subversion of true Christianity, which occurred in the course of only a few centuries, might otherwise have a tendency to shake our faith, yet when it is remembered that the GREAT APOSTASY or "falling away" happened exactly according to the SCRIPTURES of TRUTH, this fact serves to strengthen rather than shake our faith in the REALITY of our FAITH.

Today, the Roman Catholic Church says that the Bible cannot be true without the Holy Mother of Rome. What they mean to say is that the Pope gives it all of its evidence and authority. The Word of God predicted the rise, power and calamities of the Popery and if these predictions had not been fully manifested in the actual existence and tremendous evils of Popery, the Bible would have been lacking in its prophecies and therefore would not have been true.

All the pontiffs and Romish sovereigns down through the centuries have become accurate confirmations of the truth.

We can start with 2 Thess 2:1 and 1 Tim 4:1.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

How very accurate is this inspired picture of the Apostasy of Rome, although penned 5 or 6 centuries before its complete development! Apart from the descriptions of the same power in the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation, these two passages alone represent a complete prophetical picture of the Papal anti-Christ, in which every detail of the prophetic picture was drawn to "scale" and no surprise since it was sketched by the inspiration of our Omniscient God.

Since these scriptures were written long before the accomplishment of them, we should pay more attention. Do they have a two-fold meaning for us in these latter days? Is the Romish Church and Popery still in existence? Does the Pope still consider himself the Vicar of Christ on earth? Are they still not employed by their very own admission in "bringing everyone home to ROME"?

Are we today, still that "Underground Resistance Force" that will not compromise with Rome? Would we rather lose all things in this world and even our lives, rather than imbibe and acquieous to Roman Doctrine which has pervaded many Protestant denominations. Do we even know today where we are being deceived and if we have taken Rome's teachings into our bosom?

CHURCH, WHO IS SITTING IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD TODAY?

Sadly, many do not. A time is coming when the dross will be separated from the gold, once again.

The fruit of vain philosophy down through the ages has paved the way for events to come. Back in Constantine's day, the "hindrance" was not effectually removed until Constantine the emperor, on professing himself a Christian, set out to convert the kingdom of Christ into a kingdom of this world, by exalting the teachers of Christianity to the same state of affluence, grandeur and influence in the empire as had been enjoyed by pagan priests and secular officers in the state.

The professed ministers of Jesus have now a wide field opened to them for gratifying their lust of power, wealth, and dignity. The connection between the Christian faith and the cross was at an end.

WHAT FOLLOWED WAS THE KINGDOM OF THE CLERGY SUPPLANTING THE KINGDOM OF JESUS CHRIST.

Rome today, boasts of its DIVINE HONORS, DIVINE WORSHIP and DIVINE AUTHORITY and it is carried on by Satan's influence with all deceit, hypocrisy and tyranny. What is being carried on today, corresponds with the figurative representation given of the same power in the 13th chapter of Revelation.

Neither the corruption of Christianity nor the Reformation and its abuses were accomplished in a day. "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2Ti 3:13

We are now in the sequel and the bishops are once again exalted to wealth, power and authority, and this exaltation is the source of every corrupt fruit. Now, we have the "priests" of Protestantism joining them. Learning, eloquence, and influence are exalted to maintain their dominion and popularity. Contests for pre-eminence over each other has BECOME THE SUBSTITUTE FOR THE ANCIENT CONTENTION FOR THE FAITH and its influence over the world.

Yet, many are not only blind to this great deception that has taken place in the past, but they are blind to this GREAT DECEPTION THAT IS TAKING PLACE NOW.

The substitution of human authority for diving authority, is even now preparing the way for the assumption of spiritual tyranny the likes of which no one can imagine. Pomp and splendor of worship for the primitive simplicity and worldly power and dignity instead of the self-denied labors of love and bearing the cross.

How far we have fallen?

When Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not of this world", He was uttering perhaps one of the most important phrases given to the Church.

Every corruption in the church that has arisen by which the heavenly institution has been debased can be, in one way or another traced to a departure from the great and fundamental principle of the Christian kingdom.

Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

WE ARE NO LONGER CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH, ONCE DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS. Jude 1:3

Catholic Church- Mother Of Corrupt Bible Versions 1/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySheyYPB4Qo


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 2011/4/18 22:19
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 Re: Today's Gospel is Far From The NT Message

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Remember our Lord's dealing with the rich young ruler the next time you witness to someone. Don't sell this truth for unity at any cost. The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ is a pearl worthy to be purchased at the cost of all else. Rise above deadening evangelical tradition and "Earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 3).



I have not read this book but I do have a question on just this short excerpt. Is this really the "whole" gospel? There are numerous examples of how Jesus won souls in the Gospels, just from the opening chapters of the Gospel of John I think of Nicodemus, the woman at the well, and the nobleman of Capernaum. Why should I remember only this one instance of the rich young ruler when I witness to someone?

Also, with a few exceptions, the overall emphasis of Scripture is not on the cost of turning to God but rather on the cost of living independent of God.

Just my two cents.

In Christ,

Ron


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I have not read this book but I do have a question on just this short excerpt. Is this really the "whole" gospel? There are numerous examples of how Jesus won souls in the Gospels, just from the opening chapters of the Gospel of John I think of Nicodemus, the woman at the well, and the nobleman of Capernaum. Why should I remember only this one instance of the rich young ruler when I witness to someone?



Hi Ron, good question. I think the point of the article is that Christ did not hesitate to preach the Law and holiness of God to the proud who needed to be humbled through Holy Spirit conviction.

By contrast today we don't hear much preaching like that coming from pulpits or evangelistic crusades. That part of the gospel has been watered down or completely removed.

In our Lord's first sermon recorded in Scripture, the Sermon on the Mount, He declares and exalts the holy Law of God. He explained and expounded on it to make sure the multitudes were not deceived into thinking the demands of the Law are outward only, but inward also.

Scripture seems to exhort us to preach the Law to the proud and grace to the humbled. We can see this by looking at how the prophets, Christ, and the apostles and disciples dealt with their hearers. There are numerous passages that come to mind.

The vast majority of humanity today is very proud at heart and therefore needs to hear the preaching of God's holy Law and His judgment against sin.

The rich young man was very proud and self-righteous, and therefore Christ did not even mention the grace of the cross as He did with Nicodemus.

A very important part of the preaching of the gospel is making sure people understand the bad news of sin and its consequences, before they hear the good news of the cross and resurection of Christ.

I would highly recommend listening to "Hell's Best Kept Secret" if anyone has not heard it. It is one of the top sermon recommendations listed on the right side of the home page here.




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Hi Ron,

I have the book and it is very, very good.

It is amazing what Walter brings out from just the story of the Rich Young Man, beginning with him flattering the Lord and calling Him "good". The Lord did not make it easy for him. Today, we would think, "We can't let this guy get away, he is rich and what a ble$$ing he would be to the (my) kingdom". Jesus pinpointed the idol in his heart and he just could not let go of it. Did Jesus get desperate and just say, "OK, OK, all you have to do is ACCEPT me"? No. He let him go, just like He let's many go today. A lot of people don't think that Jesus has let them go, and they are "following Him" in the false security of their religion. They are not really following Him they way HE WANTS, they are following Him THE WAY THAT THEY THINK HE WANTS THEM TO, deceived by their own heart.

Jesus demands all of our heart, not just a part of it.

Here are some more excerpts with me paraphrasing a bit.

If you study the preaching of Jesus and compare it with today's Gospel message you will see major differences. These are not petty in the least, in fact a better word would be enormous differences. The problems in today's preaching of the Gospel are not in the delivery, for many men are quite passionate of what they preach. But rather the main errors are in the heart of the Gospel message being spoken. If only one thing were missing, that would be pretty serious, but to ignore all the attributes of God, His holy law, repentance, a call to humbly bow in the dust to the Lord of Glory and the true doctrine of assurance, these have created an absolute nightmare that some are now waking up from. They are waking up by the mercy of God, because destruction in one form or another has rained down on their lives as they lived by this false gospel. I hope more than a few are waking up.


We have lowered Jesus' entrance requirements to His kingdom, as if He had invented a different gospel for the twentieth century. The doctrine of repentance has been exchanged for an easy, sorrowful, confession. The foundation stone of the Gospel has been discarded and the Church should be very disturbed. Paul went from house to house preaching repentance.


Act 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.


That was the central message, when the church, a long time ago, had power. Repentance, Holiness and Purity brought this power to their lives.

The false gospel does not require repentance. It only requires that you accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour. The false gospel does not require holiness. Why should it? It never required people in the first place to bow in repentance before a holy and terrible God that has been utterly offended by their sin.

Churches of all kinds are being filled with people who have never heard that Jesus demands repentance of any who seek eternal life. You will do your fellow man a great service if you communicate to him the whole counsel of God. If you communicate a false gospel you will be guilty of spilling blood and there is a lot of blood being spilled today.


Eze 22:27 Her princes (religious leaders) in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
Eze 22:28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken.
Eze 22:29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.


Jesus lost the rich young ruler. Did He compromise His gospel in order to win this potentially "influential" convert? No! The door to eternal life is the unadulterated Gospel that Jesus preached and all must go through this door if they want eternal life.

So, we will break down and examine this false gospel message and see why men are not turning to the Lord today and those that have "accepted Jesus" either fall away or hobble along and become religious while living in sin and defeat. Did they ever repent? Did they even know what to repent of?

Come to Jesus Christ with your whole heart and do not be joined to anything in your heart but Him.

A777

P.S. I did not know that Walter was a Calvinist until I picked up something real small at the end of the book and I just thought to myself, "That sounds Calvinist". But, it really doesn't matter because 99.9% of this little book is really annointed. So, if you know that he is Calvinist going in, don't let this dissuade you from reading it. You will see the STARK CONTRAST between TODAY'S contemporary GOSPEL and the BIBLICAL GOSPEL.

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Hi Ron, good question. I think the point of the article is that Christ did not hesitate to preach the Law and holiness of God to the proud who needed to be humbled through Holy Spirit conviction.



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The rich young man was very proud and self-righteous, and therefore Christ did not even mention the grace of the cross as He did with Nicodemus.



Hi Oracio, and thank you for your reply but I'm a bit confused by what you wrote. It seems to me that Nicodemus was the proud one, trusting in the flesh, and Jesus clearly pointed out to him that flesh absolutely cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

The rich young ruler openly came running to Jesus and got down on his knees before a crowd, that seems pretty humble to me. He said that he had followed the outward demands of the law and it was probably not said out of pride but of a truth (as far as he knew), otherwise his neighbors who were there would have flatly denied his claims. I would think that the rich young ruler's problem was ignorance as to the spiritual nature of the divine law and this is what Jesus tried to point out to him.

Getting back to my original post in this thread, if I were to follow just that part of the book I would get from it a rather narrow and mechanical view of witnessing to others. We have to remember that according to John 2 Jesus knew what was in the heart of men. I don't think that was because of some supernatural ability Jesus had as God Himself, but it was a demonstration of what a man was originally to be as he lived completely in God, free from the corruption of sin.

I believe that we too can begin to see others in this way, with the eyes of God, as we walk closely and humbly with Christ. Then we can speak to each one according to his/her need just as Jesus did.

In Christ,

Ron


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Hi Ron, you are right in stating that Jesus knew what is in the heart of each man and therefore dealt with each person accordingly as He was led. The main thing for us is to seek to be led by the Spirit in all our witnessing endeavors.


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