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UntoBabes
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Dear brother bible4life,

The difference between what is taught out there and what the Bible teaches is due to a confusion between justification and sanctification. The Bible teaches that in Justification by faith Christ righteousness is imputed to us. Justified could be understood as follows: just-as -if-I'd never sinned. In justification God's wrath is satisfied in Christ substitutionary death on the cross on my behalf, and my sins are cleansed in His blood. God forgives and forgets the sins that are past.

Sanctification on the other hand is not the imputation but the impartation of Christ righteousness. God can never look at the works of righteousness done by us as filthy rags, for they are the manifestation of the life of Christ lived through us.

Both justification and sanctification are possible only by faith in christ. Salvation is Christ from beginning to end.
Faith causes surrender to the Lordship of Christ.

There is so much to be said about these things, but I request that you listen to this sermon by Major Thomas,by the title "Christ Made Perfect", then we will discuss it further if you would like.

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=17269

May the Lord bless you and keep you from error and false hope.



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Fifi

 2011/3/11 12:30Profile
rufnrust
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 Re: My soul

I hope I am not repeating anyone here since I haven't read all posts.

Before God said "Let there be light", He knew you and all this burden and more! He knew it from beginning to end and inside out, and still went to the cross to atone for you and all of us.

The fact that you long for a relationship is proof of the grace of the Holy Spirit drawing you.

Repent for your unbelief and believe the truth.

Determine that you will bless Him and not curse Him, come what may. "blessed be the name of the Lord"

As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us! Believe it!

Ruf


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Russell

 2011/3/11 12:50Profile
bible4life
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I really should not be debating this issue I have much more of a crisis in my hands with the spiritual condition of my soul. I am in bondage to sin especially to sexual lust and my heart just feels dead to everything. I have lost the Spirit of Christ and i even have hatred in my heart. I have tried returning to the Lord in repentance but I end up falling right back where I started. If i don't get saved I am going to hell, I need his grace, but without it seems I go this circle trying to find him. Over the past year I have seen my desire for the Lord leave more than ever, I never wanted this to happen but it has. I know God does not like the death of the wicked, but why is that when I try to come to him he seems to reject me and harden my heart more and more.


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John Beechy

 2011/3/12 1:56Profile
UntoBabes
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I am in bondage to sin especially to sexual lust and my heart just feels dead to everything




If you are in bondage to lust, it stands the reason you feel dead. That is what bondage produce.

Friend, I can not give you a false hope. If you are not free from your sin, it may be that you were never saved or were saved but went back to your old life and sinned in spite of the Spirit of grace. The Bible says of the latter group that they will never be restored. That is the rule, but the rule has exceptions. David was an exception to that rule because he loved God emmensely and God had mercy on him. We all know of people who were exceptions as well.

What characterises an excetion?

An exception is someone who would give glory to God whether He sends him or her to hell or not. You must repent of your sin, forsake it, and seek God until He gives you assurance again. Tell Him that you will no longer partake in sin even if He chooses to send you to hell anyway.

As for your inability to overcome sin. That is utter nonesense. I bet you that if you lived i a place under camera surveillance where they cut the hands of theives or stone adulterers and you knew that you will be caught whenever you committed any of these acts. I assure you that you will repent. The only ground upon which God will forgive you is when you show Him that you love Him more that you fear judgment. If you are given that test and passed your assurance will be restored.

Humiliation is the fastest way to repentance. If someone who struggles with gossip or lying for example had to make confessions to the people he or she gossipped about or lied to every time they commit those sins. How long do you think it will take that person before they have victory over these sins. The amswer is: " Not very long at all."

So, get serious with your sin, and keep seeking the face of God until you are restored again.



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Fifi

 2011/3/16 12:26Profile
mama27
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As for your inability to overcome sin. That is utter nonesense.



UntoBabes, am I correctly guessing that you are female? From my experience with men in my life who have a lust problem, it IS a bondage that females cannot understand I am told. I, for one, have a number of sin issues that rear their ugly heads in my life, even though I have been walking with the Lord for a long time. Yes - when we continue in sin, there is a deadness, and we cannot feel close to the Lord. But I don't think it is nonsense. Why else would Scripture talk about besetting sin, and the need to continually be crucifying the flesh, and in Rom. 7, the doing what I do not want to do....

I am not in any way condoning sin - mine or anyone else's. I do not disagree with much of your post. But I think "nonsense" might be just a little harsh. I have noticed in my own life, that people who struggle with the same sin(s) that I do, are very understanding, and those who struggle with different sins are not so much understanding. Yes, Christ provided the way of escape, but it often comes after great struggle...

 2011/3/16 13:12Profile
UntoBabes
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Mama,

I know you are not condoning sin. I read some of your posts and am being lifted by them contiually.

But the fact that God is angry with sexual lust in men as much as He is with lust for security and vanity in women, as much as rebelion in children is clear. He does not say it is ok because that is what they struggle with most.

And because we struggle with different things, we need to take extra measure with the things we struggle with most.

So. those who struggle with sensuality may not want to watch TV.even the news. They may need to cancel the internet, say a prayer as they pass through the magazine rack in the store.
If Job was a man, for I do not think he was any less of a man than men today can make a covenant with his eyes.
Why can't men today do the same seeing that they have a more reasons to do so with all the nudity around.

We have help in Christ, our high priest who is touched with our weaknesses, but he will not help if He sees we are not taking every measure to stay away from sin.


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Fifi

 2011/3/16 14:02Profile
mama27
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I agree totally. Make no provision for the flesh. I am only saying to have compassion for those who are in the process. I have been personally affected on the receiving end of such sin - it is not pretty. But then NO SIN is EVER pretty. I only know that I have my own struggles with sin, and the people who help me the most are yes, the ones who call sin what it is - sin, but who also say, "I know.....I understand...it is hard, but you can do it!"

 2011/3/16 14:10Profile
UntoBabes
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Amen,mama.


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Fifi

 2011/3/16 15:16Profile
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Hey brothers and sisters I deeply appreciate all your prayers, I have for the past few weeks seem to desire the Lord more than i am use to doing. I had read Luke 15 on the love of the father for the lost and it made me feel better that God really desires for me to come back to him and save me. I really think I was looking at God as angry at me and not willing to take me back. Also a good comfort was Watchman Nees book the Normal Christian Life, when he spoke on Romans 7 and the struggle that paul was trying to please God by his works as a Christian and he came at a dead end struggling with living for the Lord because of this. Then he realized at the end that Christ fulfilled the law for us and that he simply had to trust Him. It was very encouraging for me. I do have a few prayers that I really need because they are overpowering. First, I have been struggling with lusting after this Christian girl at work, me and her both get along really good, but we are both married, but I am finding myself to flirt and desire her in my heart, and it is a war in me that I can't do anything about. I feel as if I won't let go because I like it, I desperately need the Lord to deliver me from my sexual bondage. Also I have a passion for basketball but I think I love it more at times than I do God, can you pray for my deliverance.


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John Beechy

 2011/3/26 1:02Profile









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Bible4life,

I will pray for you but one thing I cannot do is crucify your flesh. You must do that yourself. You must sow to the Spirit and not the flesh. By the power of the Spirit, you must discipline the flesh and not make any provision for it. Do not put yourself in wrong situations. Run like Joseph did, when Potiphar's wife came on to him.

Pray to the Lord and ask Him to give you a deep repentance and broken and contrite heart.

Pull down vain imaginations and do not dwell on things that are not pleasing to the Lord. This is daily for the rest of your life. Pick up your cross daily, crucify your flesh and follow Him.

Christianity is not a magical one time formula. What you are flirting with is big time destruction. You better turn and run the other way.

Satan never sleeps and your flesh will always be fighting against the Spirit.

You are in my prayers.

777

 2011/3/26 2:10





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