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savannah
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 Re: Clarity


For the record...I am a man,not a woman. If I were a woman I'd be out of God's order, as I've posted here on S.I. as one being in a teaching role. Neither of these facts(that I'm a man and that I'm taking on a teaching role) would I nor have I denied.

Also, for the record, most who were born of God prior to the 1900's would have been anything but dispensational in their eschatology. Dispensationalism's popularization catapulted with the 1909 publication of C.I. Scofield's reference Bible.

Lastly,the one born of God need not be given over to a spirit of fear. That one is kept by the power of God,in the Almighty hand of the Father and the Son,and will never die. Believest thou this?

Christ is all-victorious for His people.
All Glory to Him for His Salvific work.

Worship God. (Rev. 22:9)

 2011/2/12 10:40Profile









 Re: Charity

Well, Brother Savannah - are you saying that a female on a forum cannot disagree with Historicism? - or any other belief that they strongly feel is not Biblical - Nor share the Scriptures that may counter that belief or promote a clearer view of true-Truth?

btw - I am not a Dispensationalist.


Contrary to the "fear" that you've also assumed that we generate - I was "fearful" when I believed pre-trib, in my early years - but The Truth has set me free from all fear - because of John 16:13 & 14 - "...and will show you things to come..." Amen! Great Peace have they that Love His WORD.

 2011/2/12 11:24
ginnyrose
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For the record...I am a man,not a woman.



And all this while whenever I read your posts I thought it was a female posting because of your name. This annoys me....I have a niece named Savannah and we call her Annie.

Annoying....


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 2011/2/12 11:55Profile









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Whether someone is pre-mid or post, they all have the basics of what will happen in the last days in common - preterists don't and that's what scares me 'for' them. If we truly Love His Body, we'll care.

Again your comparing Apples with Oranges with respect to each teaching.

Full and Hyper Preterism is what you should define as "Dangerous", I agree as should most people.

Partial Preterism is the belief that there is a future Second Coming, a future Resurrection and a future Judgment.

There is a difference and I wish that when your posting that you put the emphasis on those who believe in the "full" instead of the partial because there is a difference.

I have no qualms with you dear Sister and Saint, I am merely pointing out the difference between the two and there is a HUGE difference.

 2011/2/12 13:21









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Hi Dear Brother Approved.
Yes, I do know the difference and years ago was a member on a Preterist's forum.

My contention began with Brother Savannah when he posted on another thread that Nero was the antiChrist. This discussion began there, on that other thread and has been my major concern since.

I have no qualms with the misunderstanding over Savannah's name appearing to some of us as being female neither, it's just what he said about "the Eves" on page 1 that was hurtful. I felt that, dollars for donuts, that had I come on with a big "Amen" and posted some random Scriptures to confirm his belief, that he would not have accused us ladies of "teaching men" and the accusation of evil intentions that he had implied in that previous post.

Shalom!

 2011/2/12 13:47









 Re: A Blessing from a true Lady -

Miss Corrie Ten Boom was a Dutch survivor of the Nazi Concentration Camps, and a lifelong missionary. Corrie was a believer in facing tribulation. She was one of the many people who were persecuted in concentration camps during the World War II. Her family was murdered before her eyes, but though her life was threatened, God led her through that terrible time. She lived to testify all over the world of how God brought her out of that time of trouble. In the worst days in the concentration camp she and her sister Betsy discovered that "there is no pit so deep that the Presence of God is not there with us". In an interview titled "Prepared for the Coming Tribulation", Miss Corrie Ten Boom held very definite view concerning this. In the following message she shared a plea for the saints to prepare themselves for the possibility that at some point their faith may be tested. It serves today as a timely warning to us in the comfortable and complacent western church as we approach the threshold of the endtime drama.


Here is her exhortation to us from a letter she wrote in 1974................

"The world is deathly ill. It is dying. The Great Physician has already signed the death certificate. Yet there is still a great work for Christians to do. They are to be streams of living water, channels of mercy to those who are still in the world. It is possible for them to do this because they are ‘overcomers.’
Christians are ambassadors for Christ. They are representatives from Heaven to this dying world. And because of our presence here, things can change for others.

My sister, Betsy, and I were in the Nazi concentration camp at Ravensbruck because we committed the crime of loving Jews. Seven hundred of us from Holland, France, Russia, Poland and Belgium were herded into a room built for two hundred. As far as I knew, Betsy and I were the only two representatives of Heaven in that room.
We may have been the Lord's only representatives in that place of hatred, yet because of our presence there, things changed. Jesus said, "In the world you shall have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." We too, are to be overcomers – bringing the light of Jesus into a world filled with darkness and hate.

Sometimes I get frightened as I read the Bible, and as I look in this world and see all of the tribulation and persecution promised by the Bible coming true. Now I can tell you, though, if you too are afraid, that I have just read the last pages. I can now come to shouting "Hallelujah! Hallelujah!" for I have found where it is written that Jesus said, "He that overcometh shall inherit all things: and I will be His God, and he shall be My son." This is the future and hope of this world. Not that the world will survive – but that we shall be overcomers in the midst of a dying world.

Betsy and I, in the concentration camp, prayed that God would heal Betsy who was so weak and sick. "Yes, the Lord will heal me,", Betsy said with confidence. She died the next day and I could not understand it. They laid her thin body on the concrete floor along with all the other corpses of the women who died that day.
It was hard for me to understand, to believe that God had a purpose for all that. Yet because of Betsy's death, today I am traveling all over the world telling people about Jesus.
There are some among us teaching there will be no tribulation, that the Christians will be able to escape all this. These are the false teachers that Jesus was warning us to expect in the latter days. Most of them have little knowledge of what is already going on across the world. I have been in countries where the saints are already suffering terrible persecution.
In China, the Christians were told, "Don't worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated – raptured." Then came a terrible persecution. Millions of Christians were tortured to death. Later I heard a Bishop from China say, sadly,
"We have failed.
We should have made the people strong for persecution rather than telling them Jesus would come first.
Tell the people how to be strong in times of persecution,
how to stand when the tribulation comes,
– to stand and not faint."
I feel I have a divine mandate to go and tell the people of this world that it is possible to be strong in the Lord Jesus Christ. We are in training for the tribulation, but more than sixty percent of the Body of Christ across the world has already entered into the tribulation. There is no way to escape it.
We are next.
Since I have already gone through prison for Jesus' sake, and since I met the Bishop in China, now every time I read a good Bible text I think, "Hey, I can use that in the time of tribulation." Then I write it down and learn it by heart. (Editor’s note: Wonderful idea.)

When I was in the concentration camp, a camp where only twenty percent of the women came out alive, we tried to cheer each other up by saying, "Nothing could be any worse than today." But we would find the next day was even worse. During this time, a Bible verse that I had committed to memory gave me great hope and joy.

“If you be reproached (suffer) for the name of Christ, happy-blessed are you; for the Spirit of glory and of God (the same Glory and Spirit of God that rested over The Tabernacle in the O.T.) will rest upon you. On their part He is evil spoken of, but on your part He is Glorified.”
1 Peter 4 : 14
I found myself saying, "Hallelujah! - Because I am suffering, Jesus is Glorified!"

In America, the churches sing, "Let the congregation escape tribulation" (I‘ll fly away, etc.), but in China and Africa etc., tribulation has already arrived. This last year alone more than two hundred thousand Christians were martyred in Africa. Now things like that never get into the newspapers because they cause bad political relations. But I know. I have been there. We need to think about that when we sit down in our nice houses with our nice clothes to eat our steak dinners. Many, many members of the Body of Christ are being tortured to death at this very moment, yet we continue right on as though we are all going to escape the tribulation.

Several years ago I was in Africa in a nation where a new government had come into power. The first night I was there some of the Christians were commanded to come to the police station to register. When they arrived they were arrested and that same night they were executed. The next day the same thing happened with other Christians. The third day it was the same. All the Christians in the district were being systematically murdered.
The fourth day I was to speak in a little church. The people came, but they were filled with fear and tension. All during the service they were looking at each other, their eyes asking, "Will this one I am sitting beside be the next one killed? Will I be the next one?"
The room was hot and stuffy with insects that came through the screenless windows and swirled around the naked bulbs over the bare wooden benches. I told them a story out of my childhood.
"When I was a little girl, " I said, "I went to my father and said,
"Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be strong enough to be a marty for Jesus Christ."
"Tell me," said Father,
"When you take a train trip to Amsterdam,
when do I give you the money for the ticket?
Three weeks before?"
"No, Daddy, you give me the money for the ticket just before we get on the train." "That is right," my father said, "and so it is with God's strength.
Our Father in Heaven knows when you will need the strength to be a martyr for Jesus Christ.
He will supply all you need – [u]just in time[/u]…"
My African friends were nodding and smiling. Suddenly a spirit of joy descended upon that church and the people began singing,
“In the sweet, by and by, we shall meet on that beautiful shore.”

Later that week, half the congregation of that church was executed. I heard later that the other half was killed some months ago.
But I must tell you something. I was so happy that the Lord used me to encourage these people, for unlike many of their leaders, I had the word of God. I had been to the Bible and discovered that Jesus said He had not only overcome the world, but to all those who remained faithful to the end, He would give a crown of life. Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which you shall suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that you may be tried; and you shall have tribulation ten days; be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

How can we get ready for the persecution?

~ First we need to feed on the word of God, digest it, make it a part of our being. This will mean disciplined Bible study each day as we not only memorize long passages of scripture, but put the principles to work in our lives.

~ Next we need to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Not just the Jesus of yesterday, the Jesus of History, but the life-changing Jesus of today who is still alive and sitting at the right hand of God.

~ We must be filled with the Holy Spirit. This is no optional command of the Bible, it is absolutely necessary. Those earthly disciples could never have stood up under the persecution of the Jews and Romans had they not waited for Pentecost. Each of us needs our own personal Pentecost, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We will never be able to stand in the tribulation without it.

~ In the coming persecution we must be ready to help each other and encourage each other. But we must not wait until the tribulation comes before starting. The fruit of the Spirit should be the dominant force of every Christian's life.

Many are fearful of the coming tribulation, they want to run. I, too an a little bit afraid when I think that after all my years, including the horrible nazi concentration camp, that I might have to go through the tribulation also. But then I read the Bible and I am glad.

When I am weak, then I shall be strong, the Bible says. Betsy and I were prisoners for the Lord, we were so weak, but we got power because the Holy Spirit was on us. That mighty inner strengthening of the Holy Spirit helped us through. No, you will not be strong in yourself when the tribulation comes. Rather, you will be strong in the power of Him who will not forsake you. For seventy-six years I have known the Lord Jesus and not once has He ever left me, or let me down.


"Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him", for I know that to all who overcome, He shall give the crown of life.
Hallelujah!”
-Corrie Ten Boom-1974

 2011/2/12 13:51
ginnyrose
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 Re:

Savannah,

Why on earth did you use a female nickname, giving people the impression you are a female???

Why do you not celebrate your maleness by making sure people know you are a male? Why are you misrepresenting yourself on this forum? Do you not know you will lose credibility by doing so?

I have a suggestion for the mods and that is to require any who post to indicate on their profile their gender. That way when one posts on the forums you at least have an idea who you may be responding to and knowing the gender often helps to explain their thinking patterns. Having said all this I always did think Savannah wrote like a male and found her ....

Anyhow, now I vented....

ginnyrose


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 2011/2/12 18:31Profile









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Why on earth did you use a female nickname

If I may stand in the gap here, it's very possible that his last name is Savanna.

At any rate, I think we should let this thread die and and let it fall asleep amongst the archives, as there is absolutely nothing that is profitable.

There is indeed offences and I think those apologies (if any is willing to humble themselves and admit it) should be done behind closed doors ie; PM's.

Perhaps this discussion on this subject can be had sometime down the road.

Good bye thread, farewell to thee.

 2011/2/12 20:13
savannah
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 Re: ...back to the End please!



I am requesting that this thread get back to the End it was intended. Thanks in advance for honoring my request.

These few words should suffice to vindicate me of any guilt of misrepresentation I've been charged with.

Firstly,I'm not responsible for anyone's wrong assumptions. Especially when I in no wise gave anyone any impression of any kind which was false.

Are there not a number of others on the forum who have chosen names which are gender neutral. Some are known to be male or female for various reasons. As for others it may not be known for a time. We also have the liberty of ask and tell,unlike some.

It's really unnecessary that I give the exact reason as to why I chose the name I did. But I can assure you all that it was not to misrepresent myself or to give anyone the false impression that I was a female.

The name I chose may have been chosen after a city in the U.S., or after the name of a child or even a pet.

Please make no assumptions which lead to accusations which lead to offenses.

Simply PM-ing someone can avoid much childish emotion being spattered on a public forum like S.I., whose intent is to promote Christ and revival through the proclamation and living of the Truth of the Gospel, by those who are new creations by the miracle of the new birth.

If our focus is on Him and not us, He will increase and we will decrease.

Now,if we could,let's get back to the End please!

Has anyone listened to Ed's radio program?

I'm looking forward to Monday's(Feb. 14)program on the dating of Revelation.



 2011/2/12 23:47Profile
savannah
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 Re: Dating Revelation


Below is the link discussing "The early date of the book of Revelation"

http://www.edbudd.net/Home/audio/ET021411.mp3?attredirects=0

If that doesn't work try this one

https://sites.google.com/a/edbudd.net/endtimes/Home/audio/February14%2C2011Show.m3u?attredirects=0

Anyone interested may do so now as it was just posted Feb. 14,2011

 2011/2/18 20:18Profile





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