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deltadom
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Hemel Hempstead

 What is true christian unity and not the ecumenical movement

John 17:22 NKJ
And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

John 17:11 NKJ
Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.

John 15:10 KJV
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 15:17 KJV
These things I command you, that ye love one another.

To me it grieves my soul, The ecumenical movement trying to unite Catholics and such like, my problem is if that is the false what is the true unity!

What is unity in Christ and not in the ecumenical movement,one thing I have to complement the Sermonindex conferences of, is there is a real spirit of unity there!

1 Timothy 3:15 KJV
But if I tarry long , that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

John 15:26 KJV
But when the Comforter is come , whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 17
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am ; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

What is true unity and how does it differentiate from ecumenical unity? What are the aspects of true unity?


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Dominic Shiells

 2011/2/5 15:57Profile
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 Re: What is true christian unity and not the ecumenical movement

"Ecumenical" unity is a fruit of human effort. Godly unity is one of the first fruits of the Holy Spirit:-

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

When Christians are "in sync" with God they are automatically in sync with each other.

PassingThru

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This is something that I wonder about as well. My conclusion is that most denominations could learn from each other. I think each has it's own strength and weakness.







 2011/2/5 19:32
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 Re: What is true christian unity and not the ecumenical movement

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What is true unity and how does it differentiate from ecumenical unity? What are the aspects of true unity?



Seems to me that too many times we associate unity as being one organizationally. But from my observation this is not true although it can happen there.

I have observed that I can be a member of a church without sensing any unity in my spirit with someone else in this brotherhood.

I have also experienced a oneness with people who are not a part of our brotherhood, or denomination.

Unity happens when two people experience a oneness in spirit in pertaining to matters of God, life which explains what happens a lot on this forum.

This is my understanding...I realize that what I said is experiential and not drawn from Scripture - just what happens when there are two people who love the LORD.


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Sandra Miller

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ginnyrose: " I have observed that I can be a member of a church without sensing any unity in my spirit with someone else in this brotherhood.
I have also experienced a oneness with people who are not a part of our brotherhood, or denomination. "


Your understanding is in fact drawn from scripture, ginnyrose. Scripture nowhere recognises such a thing as being a "member of a local church". But instead:

'Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ?' 1 Cor 6:15 (KJV)

'For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.' 1 Cor 12:12 (KJV)

'Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular' 1 Cor 12:27 (KJV)

So we have fellowship by the Holy Spirit with all the members of the one body of Christ. "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body," 1 Cor 12:13 (KJV)

David


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