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29 See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Abide ye every man in His place.
I did not mean to say He kept the Mosaic and ceremonial law. I was thinking 10 commandments and wrote Mosaic law and when I said ceremonial law, that was just a mistake. Sorry.
What He did was that He loved God with all His heart and His neighbor as Himself. By doing this he not only kept the letter of the 10 commandments but the Spirit, also. He did not lust or hate or sin in His heart.
He most definitely went out of His place to gather manna (subsistence).
This makes people stumble, because they have turned God's Word into a rulebook.
In all that Jesus did, He did not sin, yet pleased His Father in all things.
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Did not Jesus keep the law? Did He pick and choose which laws to keep?
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Did Jesus say to the thief on the cross, "Today you will be with me in paradise, as long as you observe the sabbath."
Come on folks. Jesus saves, the sabbath is a day...
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Did not Jesus keep the law? Did He pick and choose which laws to keep?
Very good question. Lets first examine a few misconceptions about the new testament.
1. The Gospels are a historical narrative about the life and death of Christ. They are contained in the New Testament but in content a huge part was under the dispensation of the old covenant. Christ was here to facilitate and shift in the dispensation paradigm as the Jews understood it. But the shift didn't occur still he died, rose from the dead and sent the promise of the father.
It is important to understand what dispensation Jesus was speaking under. Jesus couldnt teach many things because humanity(adam) would not be able to receive such teaching without the holy spirit (and that even included his disciples). So when we read new testament gospel narratives we must understand that most times Jesus was speaking under the old testament dispensation as a background context. So because we see Jesus imply people should tithe for instance remember he is speaking specifically to Jews who were under old testament dispensation (trying to show them that they focused on the less important things of that dispensation) we can and should learn from all Jesus said but we need to rightly divide to avoid erroneous doctrine based on a lack of understanding the contextual dispensation in the background setting.
2. Jesus was the messiah and the law incarnate.
3. Jesus came to fulfill the law in his death and resurrection.
4. The new covenant was ushered in when Christ died and rose again. Not while he was living on earth.
5.While he was living on earth he was a teacher of the law (Torah / logos) and was indeed the law(Torah / logos) incarnate (Jesus is the word remember. So Jesus is the sabbath, circumcision etc ...but that a separate thread)
6. While Jesus taught under the old dispensation he constantly tried to show people often the things they were so focused on weren't the things that really mattered to God e.g. sabbath, tithing was of less significance than showing mercy. Jesus tried to shift the paradigm of perspective. Repentance is a shift in nature from death to life
7. Jesus tried to show them the Spirit of the law. But they could only see the letter of the Law (and we know the letter kills see 2 Corinthians 3)
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore[a] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen.[b]
its funny how the lord says the things he commanded and not the Torah surely he should have said "teach them to obey the Torah especially the sabbath"
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When I was newly saved, my favorite verses were this first one below. I added the others just to further the point of what the First Church did "daily".
It makes me happy still to think on these things -
Act 2:46, 47 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Act 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Act 17:17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.
Act 19:9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Sermon Index - no - Tyrannus. :)
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| Hebrews 9: The reformation|
Hebrews 9 (Amplified Bible)
1NOW EVEN the first covenant had its own rules and regulations for divine worship, and it had a sanctuary [but one] of this world.(A)
2For a tabernacle (tent) was erected, in the outer division or compartment of which were the lampstand and the table with [its loaves of] the showbread set forth. [This portion] is called the Holy Place.(B)
3But [inside] beyond the second curtain or veil, [there stood another] tabernacle [division] known as the Holy of Holies.(C)
4It had the golden [a]altar of incense and the ark (chest) of the covenant, covered over with wrought gold. This [ark] contained a golden jar which held the manna and the rod of Aaron that sprouted and the [two stone] slabs of the covenant [bearing the Ten Commandments].(D)
5Above [the ark] and overshadowing the mercy seat were the representations of the cherubim [winged creatures which were the symbols] of glory. We cannot now go into detail about these things.
6These arrangements having thus been made, the priests enter [habitually] into the outer division of the tabernacle in performance of their ritual acts of worship.
7But into the second [division of the tabernacle] none but the high priest goes, and he only once a year, and never without taking a sacrifice of blood with him, which he offers for himself and for the errors and sins of ignorance and thoughtlessness which the people have committed.(E)
8By this the Holy Spirit points out that the way into the [true Holy of] Holies is not yet thrown open as long as the former [the outer portion of the] tabernacle remains a recognized institution and is still standing,
9Seeing that that first [outer portion of the] tabernacle was a parable (a visible symbol or type or picture of the present age). In it gifts and sacrifices are offered, and yet are incapable of perfecting the conscience or of cleansing and renewing the inner man of the worshiper.
10For [the ceremonies] deal only with clean and unclean meats and drinks and different washings, [mere] external rules and regulations for the body imposed to tide the worshipers over until the time of setting things straight [of reformation, of the complete new order when Christ, the Messiah, shall establish the reality of what these things foreshadow--a better covenant].
11But [that appointed time came] when Christ (the Messiah) appeared as a High Priest of the better things that have come and are to come. [Then] through the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with [human] hands, that is, not a part of this material creation,
12He went once for all into the [Holy of] Holies [of heaven], not by virtue of the blood of goats and calves [by which to make reconciliation between God and man], but His own blood, having found and secured a complete redemption (an everlasting release for us).
13For if [the mere] sprinkling of unholy and defiled persons with blood of goats and bulls and with the ashes of a burnt heifer is sufficient for the purification of the body,(F)
14How much more surely shall the blood of Christ, Who [b]by virtue of [His] eternal Spirit [His own preexistent [c]divine personality] has offered Himself as an unblemished sacrifice to God, purify our consciences from dead works and lifeless observances to serve the [ever] living God?
15[Christ, the Messiah] is therefore the Negotiator and Mediator of an [entirely] new agreement (testament, covenant), so that those who are called and offered it may receive the fulfillment of the promised everlasting inheritance--since a death has taken place which rescues and delivers and redeems them from the transgressions committed under the [old] first agreement.
16For where there is a [last] will and testament involved, the death of the one who made it must be established,
17For a will and testament is valid and takes effect only at death, since it has no force or legal power as long as the one who made it is alive.
18So even the [old] first covenant (God's will) was not inaugurated and ratified and put in force without the shedding of blood.
19For when every command of the Law had been read out by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of slain calves and goats, together with water and scarlet wool and with a bunch of hyssop, and sprinkled both the Book (the roll of the Law and covenant) itself and all the people,
20Saying these words: This is the blood that seals and ratifies the agreement (the testament, the covenant) which God commanded [me to deliver to] you.(G)
21And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and all the [sacred] vessels and appliances used in [divine] worship.
22[In fact] under the Law almost everything is purified by means of blood, and without the shedding of blood there is neither release from sin and its guilt nor the remission of the due and merited punishment for sins.
23By such means, therefore, it was necessary for the [earthly] copies of the heavenly things to be purified, but the actual heavenly things themselves [required far] better and nobler sacrifices than these.
24For Christ (the Messiah) has not entered into a sanctuary made with [human] hands, only a copy and pattern and type of the true one, but [He has entered] into heaven itself, now to appear in the [very] presence of God on our behalf.
25Nor did He [enter into the heavenly sanctuary to] offer Himself regularly again and again, as the high priest enters the [Holy of] Holies every year with blood not his own.
26For then would He often have had to suffer [over and over again] since the foundation of the world. But as it now is, He has once for all at the consummation and close of the ages appeared to put away and abolish sin by His sacrifice [of Himself].
27And just as it is appointed for [all] men once to die, and after that the [certain] judgment,
28Even so it is that Christ, having been offered to take upon Himself and bear as a burden the sins of many once and [d]once for all, will appear a second time, not to carry any burden of sin nor to deal with sin, but to bring to full salvation those who are [eagerly, constantly, and patiently] waiting for and expecting Him.
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