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 A Biblical Survey of Satanic Deception by Jesse-Penn Lewis


Truth of every kind makes free, while lies bind up in bonds. Ignorance also binds up, because it gives ground to Satan. Man's ignorance is a primary and essential condition for deception by evil spirits. The ignorance of the people of God concerning the powers of darkness, has made it easy for the devil to carry out his work as deceiver. Unfallen man in his pure state was not perfect in knowledge. Eve was ignorant of "good and evil," and her ignorance was a condition which lent itself to the deception of the serpent.

The devil's great purpose, and for which he fights, is to keep the world in ignorance of himself, his ways, and his colleagues, and the Church is taking sides with him when siding with ignorance about him. Every man should keep an attitude of openness to all truth, and shun the false knowledge which has slain its tens of thousands, and kept the nations in the deception of the devil.

A SPECIAL ONSLAUGHT OF DECEIVING SPIRITS
ON THE CHURCH
To-day there is a special onslaught of deceiving spirits upon the Church of Christ, the fulfilment of the prophecy which the Holy Spirit expressly made known to the Church through the Apostle Paul, that a great deceptive onslaught would take place in the "later times." Since the utterance of the prophecy, more than eighteen hundred years have passed by, but the special manifestation of evil spirits in the deception of believers to-day, points unmistakably to the fact that we are at the close of the age.

The peril of the church at the close of this dispensation is foreshown to be especially from the supernatural realm, whence Satan would send forth an army of teaching spirits, to deceive all who would be open to teachings by spiritual revelation, and thus draw them away unwittingly from full allegiance to God.

Yet in face of this plain forecast of the peril in later times, we find the Church in almost entire ignorance of the workings of this army of evil spirits. The majority of believers too readily accept everything "supernatural" as of God, and supernatural experiences are indiscriminately accepted because all such experiences are thought to be Divine.

Through lack of knowledge, the majority of even the most spiritual people, do not carry out a full and perpetual war upon this army of wicked spirits; and many are shrinking from the subject, and the call to war against them, saying that if Christ is preached it is not necessary to give prominence to the existence of the devil, nor to enter into direct conflict with him, and his hosts. Yet large numbers of the children of God are becoming a prey to the enemy for lack of this very knowledge, and through the silence of teachers on this vital truth, the Church of Christ is passing on into the peril of the closing days of the age, unprepared to meet the onslaught of the foe. On account of this, and in view of the plainly given prophetic warnings in the Scriptures; the already manifest influx of the evil hosts of Satan among the children of God; and the many signs that we are actually in the "later times" referred to by the Apostle; all believers should welcome such knowledge about the powers of darkness, as will enable them to pass through the fiery trial of these days, without being ensnared by the foe.

Apart from such knowledge, when thinking he is "fighting for truth," it is possible for a believer to fight for, defend, and protect evil spirits, and their works, believing he is thereby "defending" God, and His works; for if he thinks a thing Divine, he will protect and stand for it. It is possible for a man through ignorance to stand against God and to attack the very truth of God, and also defend the devil, and oppose God, unless he has knowledge.

KNOWLEDGE GAINED BY LETTER OF SCRIPTURE,
AND BY EXPERIENCE
The Bible throws much light upon the Satanic powers, which cannot fail to be discerned by all who search the Scriptures with open minds, but these will not obtain as much knowledge of the subject from the sacred record, as will those who have understanding by experience, interpreted by the Holy Spirit, and shown to be in line with the truth of the Word of God. The believer may have a direct witness in his spirit to the truth of the Divine Word, but through experience he gets a personal witness to the inspiration of Scripture, to its testimony concerning the existence of supernatural beings, and their works, and the way they deceive, and mislead the children of men.

THE WORK OF SATAN AS DECEIVER IN THE
GARDEN OF EDEN
If all that the Bible contains on the subject of the supernatural powers of evil, could be exhaustively dealt with in this book, we should find that more knowledge is given of the workings of Satan, and his principalities and powers, than many have realized. From Genesis to Revelation the work of Satan as deceiver of the whole inhabited earth can be traced, until the climax is reached, and the full results of the deception in the Garden of Eden are unveiled in the Apocalypse. In Genesis we have the simple story of the garden, with the guileless pair unaware of danger from evil beings in the unseen world. We find recorded there Satan's first work as deceiver, and the subtle form of his method of deception. We see him working upon an innocent creature's highest and purest desires, and cloaking his own purpose of ruin, under the guise of seeking to lead a human being nearer to God. We see him using the God-ward desires of Eve to bring about captivity, and bondage to himself. We see him using "good" to bring about evil; suggesting evil to bring about supposed good. Caught with the bait of being "wise," and "like God," Eve is blinded to the principle involved in obedience to God, and is deceived (1 Tim. 2: 14, A.V.).

Goodness is, therefore, no guarantee of protection from deception. The keenest way in which the devil deceives the world, and the Church, is when he comes in the guise of somebody, or something, which apparently causes them to go God-ward and good-ward. He said to Eve, "ye shall be as gods," but he did not say, "and ye shall be like demons." Angels and men only knew evil when they fell into a state of evil. Satan did not tell Eve this, when he added "knowing good and evil." His true objective in deceiving Eve was to get her to disobey God, but his wile was, "ye shall be like God." Had she reasoned, she would have seen that the deceiver's suggestion exposed itself, for it crudely resolved itself into "disobey God" to be more like God!

THE CURSE OF GOD PRONOUNCED UPON THE DECEIVER
That a highly organized monarchy of evil spirit-beings was in existence, is not made known in the story of the garden. Only a "serpent" is there; but the serpent is spoken to by God as an intelligent being, carrying out a deliberate purpose in the deception of the woman. The serpent-disguise of Satan is swept aside by Jehovah, as He makes known the decision of the Triune God in view of the catastrophe which had taken place. A "Seed" of the deceived woman, should eventually bruise the head of the supernatural being, who had used the form of the serpent to carry out his plan. Thenceforward the name of serpent is attached to him, the very name throughout the ages describing the climax action of his revolt against his Creator, in beguiling and deceiving the woman in Eden, and blasting the human race. Satan triumphed, but God overruled. The victim is made the vehicle for the advent of a Victor, who should ultimately destroy the works of the devil, and cleanse the heavens and the earth from every trace of his handiwork. The serpent is cursed, but, in effect, the beguiled victim is blest, for through her will come the "Seed" which will triumph over the devil and his seed; and through her will arise a new race through the promised Seed (Gen. 3: 15), which will be antagonistic to the serpent to the end of time, through the enmity implanted by God. Henceforth the story of the ages consists of the record of a war between these two seeds; the Seed of the woman--Christ and His redeemed--and the seed of the devil (See John 8: 44; 1 John 3: 10), right on to the furthermost point of the final committal of Satan to the lake of fire.

Henceforth it is also war by Satan upon the womanhood of the world, in malignant revenge for the verdict of the garden. War by the trampling down of women in all lands where the deceiver reigns. War upon women in Christian lands, by the continuance of his Eden method of misinterpreting the Word of God; insinuating into men's minds throughout all succeeding ages, that God pronounced a "curse" upon the woman, when in truth she was pardoned and blessed; and instigating men of the fallen race to carry out the supposed curse, which was in truth a curse upon the deceiver, and not the deceived one (Gen. 3: 14).

"I will put enmity between thee and the woman," said God, as well as between "thy seed and her seed," and this vindictive enmity of the hierarchy of evil to woman, and to believers, has not lessened in its intensity from that day.

SATAN AS DECEIVER IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
When once we clearly apprehend the existence of an unseen host of evil spirit-beings, all actively engaged in deceiving and misleading men, Old Testament history will convey to us an open vision of their doings, hitherto hidden from our knowledge. We can trace their operations in relation to the servants of God throughout all history, and discern the work of Satan as deceiver penetrating everywhere. We shall see that David was deceived by Satan into numbering Israel, because he failed to recognize the suggestion to his mind as from a Satanic source (1 Chron. 21: 1). Job also was deceived, and the messengers that came to him, when he believed the report that the "fire" which had fallen from heaven was from God (Job. 1: 16); and that all the other calamities which befell him in the loss of wealth, home and children, came directly from the hand of God; whereas the early part of the book of Job clearly shows that Satan was the primary cause of all his troubles; as "prince of the power of the air" using the elements of nature, and the wickedness of men, to afflict the servant of God, in the hope that ultimately he could force Job into renouncing his faith in God, Who seemed to be unjustly punishing him without cause. That this was Satan's aim is suggested in the words of the wife of the patriarch, who became a tool for the Adversary, in urging the suffering man to "curse God and die," she, also, being deceived by the enemy into believing that God was the primary cause of all the trouble and the unmerited suffering which had come upon him.

In the history of Israel during the time of Moses, the veil is lifted more clearly from the Satanic powers, and we are shown the condition of the world as sunk in idolatry--which is said in the New Testament to be the direct work of Satan (1 Cor. 10: 20)--and actual dealing with evil spirits; the whole inhabited earth being thus in a state of deception, and held by the deceiver in his power. We also find numbers of God's own people, through contact with others under Satanic power, deceived into communicating with "familiar spirits," and into the using of "divination," and other kindred arts, inculcated by the powers of darkness, even though they knew the laws of God, and had seen His manifested judgments among them. (See Lev. 17: 7, R.V. margin "satyrs"; 19: 31; 20: 6, 27; Deut. 18: 10, 11).

In the book of Daniel, we find a still further stage of revelation reached concerning the hierarchy of evil powers, when in the tenth chapter we are shown the existence of the princes of Satan, actively opposing the messenger of God sent to Daniel to make His servant understand His counsels for His people. There are also other references to the workings of Satan, his princes, and the hosts of wicked spirits, carrying out his will, scattered throughout the Old Testament, but on the whole the veil is kept upon their doings, until the great hour arrives, when the "Seed" of the woman, who was to bruise the head of the serpent, is manifested on earth in human form (Gal. 4: 4).

SATAN AS DECEIVER UNVEILED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
With the advent of Christ, the veil which had hidden the active workings of the supernatural powers of evil, for centuries since the garden catastrophe, is still further removed, and their deception and power over man is clearly revealed, and the arch-deceiver himself appears in the wilderness conflict of the Lord, to challenge the "Seed of the woman," as it is not recorded that he appeared on earth since the time of the Fall. The wilderness of Judea, and the Garden of Eden, being parallel periods for the testing of the first and second Adam. In both periods Satan worked as Deceiver, in the second instance wholly failing to deceive, and beguile the One who had come as his Conqueror.

Traces of the characteristic work of Satan as deceiver can be discerned among the disciples of the Christ. He deceives Peter into speaking words of temptation to the Lord, suggesting His turning from the path of the Cross (Matt. 16: 22- 23), and later on takes hold of the same disciple in the Judgment Hall (Luke 22: 31), prompting him to the lie, "I know not the Man," with the very purpose of deception (Matt. 26: 74). Further traces of the work of the deceiver may be seen in the epistles of Paul, in his references to the "false apostles," "deceitful workers," and Satan's workings as an "angel of light," and "his ministers as ministers of righteousness" among the people of God (2 Cor. 11: 13-15). In the messages to the Churches, also, given by the ascended Lord to His servant John, false apostles are spoken of, and false teachings of many kinds. A "synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2: 9), consisting of deceived ones, is mentioned, and "deep things of Satan" are described as existing in the Church (Rev. 2: 24).

THE FULL REVELATION OF THE DECEIVER IN THE
APOCALYPSE
Then the veil is lifted at last. The full revelation of the Satanic confederacy against God and His Christ, is given to the Apostle John. After the messages to the Churches, the world-wide work of the deceiver prince is fully disclosed to the Apostle, and he is bidden to write all that he is shown, that the Church of Christ might know the full meaning of the War with Satan in which the redeemed would be engaged, right on to the time when the Lord Jesus would be revealed from heaven, in judgment upon these vast, and terrible powers, full of cunning malignity, and hatred to His people, and as truly at work behind the world of men, from the days of the garden story to the end.

As we read the Apocalypse, it is important to remember that the organised forces of Satan described therein, were in existence at the time of the Fall of Eden, and only partially revealed to the people of God until the advent of the promised "Seed of the woman" Who was to bruise the serpent's head. When the fulness of time had come, God manifest in the flesh met the fallen arch-angel, and leader of the evil angelic host, in mortal combat at Calvary; and, putting them to open shame, shook off from Himself the vast masses of the hosts of darkness who gathered around the Cross, from the furthermost realms of the kingdom of Satan (Col. 2: 15).

The Scriptures teach us that God's unveilings of the truths concerning Himself, and all the things in the spiritual realm which we need to know, are always timed by Him to the strength of His people. The full revelation of the Satanic powers disclosed in the Apocalypse was not given to the Church in its infancy, for some forty years passed after the Lord's ascension ere the Book of the Revelation was written. Possibly it was necessary, that the Church of Christ should first fully apprehend the fundamental truths revealed to Paul, and the other Apostles, ere she could safely be shown the extent of the war with supernatural powers of evil upon which she had entered.

THE LAST OF THE APOSTLES CHOSEN TO TRANSMIT
THE REVELATION
Whatever the reason of the delay, it is striking that it was the last of the Apostles who was chosen to transmit, at the very end of his life, the full war- message to the Church, which would serve as a foreshadowing of the campaign until its close.

In the Revelation given to John, the name and character of the deceiver is more clearly made known, with the strength of his forces, and the extent of the war, and its final issues. It is shown that in the invisible realm there is war between the forces of evil, and the forces of light. John says that "the dragon warred, and his angels . . , " the dragon being explicitly described as the "serpent" from his guise in Eden--"called the Devil and Satan," the deceiver of the whole inhabited earth. His worldwide work as deceiver is fully revealed, and the war in the earth realm caused by his deceiving of the nations, and the world-powers acting under his instigation and rule. The highly organised confederacy of principalities and powers, acknowledging the headship of Satan, is disclosed, and their "authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation," all deceived by the supernatural and invisible forces of evil, and making "war with the saints" (Rev. 13: 7).


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This article above is the forward to the very important book on Spiritual warfare written by Jesse-Penn Lewis and Co-authored with Evan Roberts from the welsh revival. It was written to help balance out the revival from many of the counterfeits they saw working in the movement early on. Many claim that this book helped stop the revival but in my mind it helped save the revival from falling into gross excesses that we see in very modern charismatic meetings.

The contents for this 1912 online edition are here: http://www.apostasynow.com/wots/Contents.html

I read this over 8 years ago from the same website I believe and it benefited me to have discernment with many new supposed "moves of God" and "men of God" with special anointing etc. Thank God for His protection over His flock in our day.


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Amen.
What she wrote of "deliverance" in the chpt "Freedom for the deceived" is excellent. Not this scarey stuff that we've read about or seen from so-called deliverance ministries.

War on the Saints did need to be revised though and has been a few times, because of the wording - that Christians could be possessed not being true. Oppressed but not possessed.

Edit: In this link - the deliverance chpt is Chpt 8 titled "The Path to Freedom".

The latter revisions of this book have more notes from other teachers, etc. explaining the "possession" error and more of an Intro and Appendix.

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WOW!!! That is all I could think when I read this post. My wow turned to horror and disbelief as I clicked on the link to read the rest of the booklet. As I jumped around at different chapters trying to find myself in them because God knows that I have been dealing with some things lately, and a lot of which were discussed in the book.

For example, the feeling of losing God's presence in my life. Sudden headaches and pains in my body. Unexplained fatigue and so forth. Feeling like I have done some great sin that has severed any possible relationship with God. Even though this "truth" scared me, as I was reading a scripture came to mind as clear as day that I had read earlier...

The scripture that I read earlier in the day mentioned of teachings in the last days dealing with "the deep truths of Satan." I could not recall exactly where I read the passage of scripture containing those words, although I searched through several different books. Suddenly, I remembered BY THE GRACE OF GOD that Revelation 2:20-25 reads, "20
Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. 24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25 except to hold on to what you have until I come."

The AMPLIFIED reads, "20But I have this against you: that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess [claiming to be inspired], and who is teaching and leading astray my servants and beguiling them into practicing sexual vice and eating food sacrificed to idols. [I Kings 16:31; II Kings 9:22, 30.]21I gave her time to repent, but she has no desire to repent of her immorality [symbolic of idolatry] and refuses to do so. 22Take note: I will throw her on a bed [[a]of anguish], and those who commit adultery with her [her paramours] I will bring down to [b]pressing distress and severe affliction, unless they turn away their minds from conduct [such as] hers and repent of [c]their doings. 23And I will strike her children (her proper followers) dead [thoroughly exterminating them]. And all the assemblies (churches) shall recognize and understand that I am He Who searches minds (the thoughts, feelings, and purposes) and the [inmost] hearts, and I will give to each of you [the reward for what you have done] as your work deserves.(G) 24But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not explored and known the depths of Satan, as they say--I tell you that I do not lay upon you any other [fresh] burden:


I don't claim to be scholarly at the word, and honestly, most of the time I come to the website to edify myself by the word that comes forth from others. I don't choose to add and comments for the most part because I am still learning, but there is something about the book posted here that after a while didn't sit well in my spirit. It may be just me so I hope I don't offend anyone in this, for I am just stating my opinion and feelings, but I was getting lost in the truth about Satan and his "work" and drifting further away from the work that Jesus did on the cross. I then started viewing my walk and desire to please and live for God as a works rather than a walk of faith because of all the things mentioned that I should and would be feeling as a result of being in a spiritual battle with satan and his many demonic spirits.

The bible from what I've read so far warns that we will battle, and that our battle is not carnal, BUT the battle is NOT ours, but the Lords, and if we place it in HIS hands, He will fight our battle and we can walk in victory because it has already been won. I didn't read the entire book, but from what I did read, it caused me to focus more on self than on Christ.

I also took the time to read the disclaimer and found that it was a woman who wrote this book. I find that interesting considering the scripture I provided.

Like I stated... I am learning like everyone else, but this is how I feel from taking the time to seek out the TRUTH.

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You're OK Sister. That is why I mentioned the multiple Revised versions of this book.

I've read the 1977 version and the "possession" part bothered me but I knew at the time that possession was not a possiblity for a Christian, so I got what I could from the rest of it.

Then came the 1993 version that explained in the Intro that they had taken the possession part out.
I now have the 2004 Edition with much added to it.
I'd have to say that the 1993 version was best.

I too do not like giving more attention to the enemy (our defeated foe) than "what is written".
I've seen first hand, when I was young in the LORD, the excesses of focusing on demons and 'deliverance ministries'.

This original version, I had never seen until this link. I mean no harm, but after posting, I too read some and it didn't read like the latter revised versions. That's why I came back to add the Edit.

I had no problem with the 1993 version. When you've dealt with all sorts of strange phenomena in pentecostal churches and have personally known people who have suffered under "deception" or extreme condemnation brought about by believing a lie - in those who had not seen where we stand in Christ and have experienced first hand "ministers that come posing as righteous ministers of light" but are truly like Balaam or what Paul describes in 2 Tim 3 - this book came in helpful to me years back and even now when I see people caught in the bondage of always feeling the need to 'spontaneously' confess their sins in public, that which should be kept between trusted mature Saints that can minister to that person.

I wouldn't throw the book out, but I prefer the updated revised additions.

There's some good teaching about "the perils of the passivity or the passive mind". "Victory in Conflict" also is helpful to discern conviction rather than condemnation of the enemy and pointing to The WORD as our weapon - bottomline. That's Truth and The Truth - His received WORD, 'will' "set us free" from deception, by His Spirit opening the truth in His Word to us.
Always prefer Scripture over Any author - on that I fully agree. It is the Only writing that can claim to be "Living" and "Spirit" that does not go out void and cuts straight to the problem - if the person is desireous of the true truth in their lives.

One section within a chpt talks about "feelings injected by the enemy" - that too was useful in that, many believe or look for "feelings".
Also in this book is "The need of differentiating Accusation from true conviction."

In a way, yes, this book is about the deep things of Satan - and is more suited to those who are more mature in their walk and experiences witnessing the many deceptions that people buy into, that trouble their minds and walks with GOD.

If it brings paranoia instead of insight - then it's not for that person to read and Always - The WORD of GOD and His Spirit of Truth is all one will ever need - so there isn't a book on earth that is "essential" reading - Amen - but some do give insight to some of the false teachings that have surfaced within certain periods of time when the enemy of true truth would come in like a flood on the heels of a move of GOD.

To call this Author a "Jezebel" is a bit over the top though. I believe that because of the depth of it - and because it can cause a shakiness at first, when not read in it's entirety in the later versions of it, that may have been just a reaction generated by a fear. But like I said - no book is "essential" for any of us to read except His Book.

His Light, Strength and Mercy to you and to all of us.

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War on the Saints did need to be revised though and has been a few times, because of the wording - that Christians could be possessed not being true. Oppressed but not possessed.



Thank you brother Greg for posting the unabridged version.

I would not buy the abridged version. What brother Dean gives us on www.apostasynow.com is in fact the unabridged version. This is what they (Jessie and Evan) intended to write and what they did write. The same men that water down the Word, watered down their book as well.

Please show us from chapter and verse where Christians cannot be possessed.

Demons do not respect a Christian if they welcome them, (i.e. a spirit of murder (hatred) or a spirit of Adultery, lying spirits, deceiving spirits or if they receive a spirit of fear). Do you think they just want to sit on your shoulder?

How many Christians do you know that have received a deceiving spirit, a lying spirit, a spirit of fear. How many do you know that have a spirit of adultery/lust (pornography) or hate their fellow brother and sister (spirit of murder, divorce)? They are all around us. You think a person that is possessed is only a raving lunatic, demoniac?

Many Christians today that are seeking to please God have received a spirit of fear and have been crippled by it.

You will say that a Christian cannot receive an evil spirit because they have the Holy Spirit inhabiting them.
You don't understand, then.

The Holy Spirit is joined to our spirit, not our flesh. Demons inhabit the flesh. They look for and want a warm body that they can influence. And they jump at the chance to take up residence in a carnal christian. Many testify today that they can never get free from so and so sin. That is because they have allowed a stronghold in their life and need to be delivered. Like Jessie says, they need to find out, how they gave the ground for the enemy and repent of it. Take back the ground that you gave and cast that demon out.

Neighboring cities (strongholds) and peoples (demons today) did not respect Israel just because their God was Jehovah. Israel received many attacks and sometimes lost. Usually they lost because they were in disobedience and rebellion. The Old Testament shows the strategy of demonic and spiritual warfare and how we through the knowledge of the Lord drive them out and inhabit our vessel with honor.

Christians can have whatever they want (whatever they open themselves up to) and there are more demon possessed people in a church building than you can shake a stick at. And the stain glass windows are not keeping them out.

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons: freely ye received, freely give.

The devil is clever. He hides in the dark and does not want to be exposed. So, the one that speaks the truth, he will marginalize and use the crowds (majority of people) to side with him against them by calling them extreme. That is what they did with Jesus.

Jesus was pretty extreme. No?

We practice a safe Christianity today not an extreme Christianity. Send everyone to psychologists and psychiatrists. God can't help them. Christians certainly can't.

If you take away that part of the book, you have a gun without bullets and a happy devil.

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I will reply regarding "Christians being possessed" only.

When a human being is "possessed" - spiritual beings enter the "spirit" of a human. THAT is possession.

In a truly regenerated, Holy Spirit filled Christian - The Holy Spirit WILL NOT cohabit with a demon in the same spirit of a human being.

How on earth could anyone think otherwise?

 2011/1/24 15:45
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And the beat goes on..

Where do you get the understanding that a demonic spirit inhabits the human spirit?

Jessie never said that. You are postulating an incorrect assumption.

Demonic spirits implored Jesus to allow them to enter pigs. Not because they wanted to inhabit their spirit, but because they wanted to inhabit their flesh. It meant that they would not be cast into outer darkness.

The argument always gets changed on this. It become apples and oranges. No one is ever saying that the demon spirits inhabit the human spirit where the Holy Spirit is joined to.

It is enough for them to control the mind the will and the emotions. The possession of a person's faculties will oppress the spirit of a man.

Tell me what a Christian will receive when he fears man to the point of debilitating? What does a Christian receive when he goes over to the homosexual lifestyle? Can you answer that? What does a Christian receive when he lies continually to his wife or congregation about his porn addiction?

What did Paul mean in 2 Cor 11:4?

2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we did not preach,

or if ye receive a different spirit,

which ye did not receive,

or a different gospel, which ye did not accept, ye do well to bear with him.

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Well, I signed out and shut the browser and prayed - besides taking 40 deep breaths.

Never will I ever believe Scripturally that a Child of GOD can be "Possessed" - why - because I've read the whole Bible and I don't care what books you read by falible humans - it is just an excuse to sin and give others who believe this "Flip Wilson Heresy" a chance to feel they have it over another child of GOD.

We sin and are tempted by "our own lusts" - by "choice"!

Maybe some don't know Flip Wilson, but he was a comedian back maybe 40 years ago on TV and his biggest joke was - "The devil made me do it!" - he was moking Christianity - just as this doctrine of Christians being Possessed mocks Christ's work on The Cross.

A person can be "deceived" or "oppressed" and that is why I did Amen Greg's post - but you cannot tell me that sin is not the work of anything other than a man's freewill if he is SAVED. I'm not yelling. I don't yell at anyone nor have I ever yelled but this is serverely important.

How do I know? When I first got saved, I believed this heresy and the torment that it puts a human through, if they're SAVED, and especially if they have a sensitive conscience is non-ending.

I could give you case after case of the torment that people have gone through 'after' they were "delivered of demonic possession" by some zealots of this heresy.
One Christian got home and heard "We're still in here."
I know of a few that had to be put in a mental institution because of this abominable belief... that a truly Spirt filled Christian can also be inhabited, in their spirit, by a demon.

The other extreme, as I mentioned, is those who blame "the devil" for all their own unsurrendered lusts - Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Lusts come from "self-love" over Love for GOD!

The instances you gave from Scripture dealt with un-saved people. When the demons left - they got Saved.

There is not one Scripture that will prove that man is not responsible for choosing pornography and all the etc sins that you've mentioned.

Yes, a person can "buy the lie" and from that point on be deceived or oppressed - but if they are genuinely inhabited by The HOLY Spirit - they are not "possessed".

What does the WORD of GOD say, from Old Testament to New about "sin"? Does it not just say, "Don't".

If a person lives in continual sin, then I doubt their Salvation.

If a person is struggling constantly with porn, etc., then they have not used the WORD of GOD and prayer and discernment to fight to the Victory that Christ won for us.

This heresy makes a mockery of Christ's attoning work. That is why this heresy should anger us. Not at those who believe it - but at the borderline blasphemy that it is.

With this heresy, again, you will either have people scared half out of their minds or give them reason to constantly struggle with one sin after another, blaming "the devil."

I pray that GOD's people would just read their own Bibles and stop taking man's words as innerent, infallible, omniscient or anywhere equivlent to HIS WORDS. GOD forgive those who do not and help them.

Sola Scriptura or I for one of many do not want to hear it.

We don't learn from a thousand books - we need desperately to just learn One.

 2011/1/24 16:24
urbanus
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I won't continue this discussion, because it is ceasing to be a discussion. I won't give any place to the devil to sow seeds of doubt or discord or to defame the original book that was written by people on the ground during the great revival in Wales.

Remember, these people were picking up the carnage left by deceiving spirits. The same carnage that is coming again yet in greater measure. It is already happening all around us, yet the enemy has blinded the church and put her to sleep.

You read the abridged version and let others decide if they want to read the unabridged version or not.

Again you are changing the topic.

You can only blame yourself when you give ground to the enemy.

We are not talking about blameshifting. The first step in deliverance from evil spirits is to own up to your responsibility in giving ground to the enemy in your life.

You never answered my questions and you do not understand what strongholds in a Believers life are all about.

There are some "shocking" things happening today that most "Pastors" would never share with anyone. Because it does not fit into our box.

Yes, man chooses to receive another spirit. Paul said that.

Man chooses pornography, and yet, unbeknownst to most, he is choosing a lot more than what he bargained for.

sad, very sad.

You actually do read many books but when you can't handle something you say "Sola Scriptura" and just read the Bible. Why?

People may not struggle with sin (as you say) so much if they understood some of the things that Jessie is bringing to light.

We don't understand the enemy. The Church has been negligent to teach about the Adversary. They say, it only gives him glory. He is laughing at us, and he is the one that put those thoughts into the church. "Don't talk about the Devil, it will only scare people". "Don't talk about the Devil, it will give him glory".

We make people an easy mark for the enemy. And then we won't help them, we just keep them in darkness. Tell them to keep trying hard, and you just have to bear your cross.

Guess what? You can't crucify a demon!

You have never talked to someone in chains to a stronghold. Personal discipline, and bearing the cross don't free them.

Bye for now. I am glad the moderator brought the subject up. Let people go to God and ask Him about these things.





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